[NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...

Thu Oct 14 13:56:06 AKDT 2010

First battalion of the snowbird division has already left, successive waves after halloween and thanksgiving:)

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:28:32 -0400
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
From: chuenkan at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class continuity:	Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...

Whadda ya mean "invading us again!"???  We
never left...lol

At 13:08 2010/10/14, you wrote:

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Shhhhhhh! Donâ€™t tell those northern guys we fly all year in â€œDa
Southâ€�. Next thing you know they will be invading us again!

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
Tim Taylor

Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:02 PM

To: General pattern discussion

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Just getting to perfect flying weather here in "Da South"

Tim

--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Joe Lachowski
<jlachow at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Joe Lachowski <jlachow at hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
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To: "NSRCA Discussion List"
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Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:50 AM

Verne, I already put my pattern plane away for the season. Just
tooling around with my Angel S 50 EVO. I should have an Osiris in the air
in about two weeks to play with too. We probably have about a month
of  decent flying weather left here in Joisy and that is usually it
until late March.

Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:26:20 -0700

From: getterflash at yahoo.com

To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
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What I wouldn't give for one of your "bad" rounds  . .
. .  . .;)

Bob Kane

getterflash at yahoo.com

--- On Thu, 10/14/10, verne at twmi.rr.com
<verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

From: verne at twmi.rr.com <verne at twmi.rr.com>

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...

To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 9:04 AM

I'm having enough trouble with the proposed schedule. After a fair
amount of practice, I just now have the quality level up to what most
would call a bad round. There's not much time left either. It's getting
dark before 7:00 PM around here...

Verne

---- Joe Lachowski
<
jlachow at hotmail.com> wrote: 

=============

Hey Verne, we could put one of those cubans in the 2013 Masters
sequence <g>. 

> From:
verne at twmi.rr.com

> To:

nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:27:33 -0400

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...

> 

> Would that be called the "Screwin Cuban"?

> 

> I'm just asking....

> 

> Verne

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From:

nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood,
Mark

> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:02 PM

> To:
jonlowe at aol.com;

nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
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> 

> Nah, no nerve. Just light hearted agreement that those sequences
lack something. I'm particularly fond of the Cuban 8 fetish someone must
have. I'm waiting for the Cuban with rolls integrated into each
loop.

> 

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

> 

> ----- Reply message -----

> From: "Jon Lowe"
<jonlowe at aol.com
>

> Date: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:37 pm

> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...

> To:
"
nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
<
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> 

> I think I stuck more than one nerve.....!

> 

> Jon Lowe

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Atwood, Mark
<
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> To: General pattern discussion
<
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> Sent: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:39 pm

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
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> 

> Just to be clear…they suck to fly too. At least with the Figure
M itâ€™s centered so both the pilot and the judge can see whatâ€™s
happening. On the turn-aroundâ€™s itâ€™s more of a crap shoot depending
on the lighting and background as to whether or not you can really tell
what the plane is doing. Yeah, you can get away with some stuff, but more
often you just end up in a bad position for the next maneuver.

> 

> Mark Atwood

> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President

> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124

> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax: 440.684.3102

>

mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com
<
mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com> |

www.paragon-inc.com<
http://www.paragon-inc.com/>

> 

> From:

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[
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>
] On Behalf Of Verne Koester

> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:26 PM

> To: 'General pattern discussion'

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...

> 

> Jon,

> The FAI maneuvers that I REALLY donâ€™t like are the ones in
yaw. They look terrible and are virtually impossible to judge. Iâ€™m
talking about maneuvers like the half loop with two opposite full rolls
integrated from F09 which is only made uglier by the fact that itâ€™s an
end maneuver and the Half outside loop, with Â½ integrated roll, also an
end maneuver. They just look lousy to me.

> 

> Verne

> 

> 

> 

> From:

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[
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] On Behalf Of Jon Lowe

> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:52 PM

> To:

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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
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> 

> The FAI sequence committee ought to let ours do their work. The
F11 sequence is a disaster. 1 1/2 reverse cuban with a whole bunch of
crap in it followed by an end box inverted half cuban eight = a mess.
Also, a snap followed by a 4/8 opposite AND a snap with a 4 pt opposite
in the same sequence. What were they thinking? No one could have ever
actually flown that mess before putting it on paper.

> Jon Lowe

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Bill Glaze
<
billglaze at bellsouth.net
<
mailto:billglaze at bellsouth.net>>

> To: General pattern discussion
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> Sent: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 2:35 pm

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
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> Verne:

> I couldn't agree more. In the length of time I've been flying
Pattern, I haven't seen a schedule of figures that was bad--some may have
been better than others, (notice: operative word: "MAY") but
there hasn't been a lousy one that I've seen; this wasn't magic. I think
you're spot on for commending those people on the previous comittee.
Thanks for doing so.

> Bill Glaze

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Verne
Koester<
mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com>

> To: 'General pattern
discussion'<
mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 3:13 PM

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
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> 

> Just so thereâ€™s no confusion, Iâ€™m complimenting and
crediting the PREVIOUS Sequence Committee that created the schedules
weâ€™ve been flying for the past few years. Iâ€™m on the current
committee and hope that the schedules that will serve pattern in the next
few years do so as well as the schedules weâ€™ve been flying. Just my
opinion, but Iâ€™ve watched the trends for a couple decades now and you
can really harm the sport, particularly Sportsman and Intermediate with
schedules that are way out of whack with the skill set at those levels.
The increased activity level weâ€™re seeing in and around D4 in Sportsman
through Advanced are directly related to the success of those schedules.
I remember Troy Newman, Joe Lachowski, and possibly Dave Lockhart being
on that committee as well as others and theyâ€™re to be commended for
getting us back on track.

> 

> Verne Koester

> 

> From:

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mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
[
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>
] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark

> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:44 AM

> To: General pattern discussion

> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
continuity: Was: Acceptable use policy for the list...

> 

> Verne, I couldnâ€™t agree more. The schedule committee has done
a fabulous job but I think we as a group have to stay very vigilant that
we maintain a common â€œGapâ€� and progression between the classes. That
does NOT mean we canâ€™t or shouldnâ€™t keep up with the times. But the
balance is very important and I think we currently have that (if by luck
or design I donâ€™t know or care). My son is going to try and jump from
Sportsman to intermediate in the spring and it will be a HUGE one for
him. BUT… we went out to fly the maneuvers last week in stages and while
he canâ€™t put together the whole sequence yet, I donâ€™t think he scared
himself making the attempt. A few of the maneuvers had some pucker
factor… the double immelman was the first time he had ever pushed through
an outside half loop, but since you immediately roll to an upright and
comfortable orientation, he immediately relaxed and after 2 or 3 times I
could tell it wonâ€™t be a problem.

> 

> Thatâ€™s how the transitions should be. Exhilarating, but not
frightening.

> 

> Again to the sequence committee..well done.

> 

> -M

> 

> Mark Atwood

> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President

> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124

> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax: 440.684.3102

>

mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com
<
mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com> |

www.paragon-inc.com<
http://www.paragon-inc.com/>

> 

> From:

nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
[
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>
] On Behalf Of Verne Koester

> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:40 AM

> To: 'General pattern discussion'

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the
list...

> 

> Iâ€™m confident that the schedules created by the previous
Sequence Committee has a lot to do with it. The trick now is to keep the
class transitions and difficulty levels the same as they are now. The
quickest way to lose a new Sportsman pilot is to make Intermediate too
big of a jump in difficulty level.

> 

> Verne

> 

> 

> 

> From:

nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
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mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
[
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>
] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark

> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:34 AM

> To: General pattern discussion

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the
list...

> 

> It has to be a cycle. Our area (D4) use to be a hotbed for
pattern in the 80â€™s but through the 90â€™s and aughtâ€™s we saw a very
steady decline in participation. But the last 3-4 years has seen a
resurgence of pattern activity and a host of new participants. We still
have a large masters class of long time competitors, but our contests now
have a solid contingent of Sportsman and Intermediates showing up to many
contests. Our district champs had 10 in Advanced… A combination of long
time old blood, some new advancements from Intermediate, and some former
participants that are coming back to the scene.

> 

> I have NO idea what triggered this, but I like it â˜º

> 

> -Mark

> 

> Mark Atwood

> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President

> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124

> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax: 440.684.3102

>

mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com
<
mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com> |

www.paragon-inc.com<
http://www.paragon-inc.com/>

> 

> From:

nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
[
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>
] On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte

> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:18 AM

> To: General pattern discussion

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the
list...

> 

> It'll be interesting to see what happens next. The survival of
our newsletter is tied directly to the number of advertisers. If those
who sell products related to our hobby don't think it is profitable to
continue advertising in the K-Factor, our newsletter will founder. I'm
sure the poor economy is part of the problem. As the owner of a small
hobby shop, I can tell you that my sales this year will be about half of
what they were 5-7 years ago.

> 

> It appears that the number of competitors is down in the
southeast. I was stunned to see only 12 competitors at the O.J. Stillman
contest in Jacksonville just over a week ago. That contest normally has
numbers in the high 20s - low 30s. The Huntsville contest in September
used to be a major contest, but there were so few contestants that we
were either flying, calling or judging all the time. I know that numbers
like that will cause clubs to think twice about hosting another contest.
After a hiatus of almost ten years, my club, the Eglin Aero Modellers, is
hosting a contest in just over a week. I hope the number of competitors
is sufficiently high, because, if they are, I'm sure we will continue
hosting the contest. If not, there won't be another contest.

> 

> Ron

> 

> On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:

> 

> So how many competitors do we have left?

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

> On Oct 6, 2010, at 13:11, mike mueller
<
mups1953 at yahoo.com
<
mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>> wrote:

> I'm sure some see it as a small deal but if you are a competitor
and attempting to abide by the rules you may have a completly different
perspective. For that reason I think the rules in place are well thought
out and I think Derek is correct in pointing it out. MIke

> 

> --- On Wed, 10/6/10, Keith Hoard
<khoard at gmail.com
<
mailto:khoard at gmail.com>> wrote:

> 

> From: Keith Hoard
<khoard at gmail.com
<
mailto:khoard at gmail.com>>

> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the
list...

> To: "General pattern discussion"
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nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<
mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>

> Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 12:49 PM

> I'll second that!!!

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

> On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:03, "GEORGE KENNIE"
<
geobet4 at verizon.net
<
mailto:geobet4 at verizon.net>> wrote:

> I think this was meant as an advisory.

> 

> I don't think you'd want to call him in January only to find out
that they were no longer an

> available item when you had expected them to be.

> 

> I have always found his updates to be useful information and his
use of our site to be discreet !

> 

> As he is not the only purveyor amoungst our group to utilize the
site for a heads up and certainly

> not abusing the privelidge, it would seem to me that these types
of advisories should be allowed

> without recriminations.

> 

> I think a discretionary reaction should prevail.

> 

> G.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Derek
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