[NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...

Thu Oct 14 13:28:36 AKDT 2010

Whadda ya mean "invading us again!"???  We never left...lol

At 13:08 2010/10/14, you wrote:
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>Shhhhhhh! Donâ€™t tell those northern guys we 
>fly all year in â€œDa Southâ€. Next thing you 
>know they will be invading us again!
>
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tim Taylor
>Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:02 PM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
>schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
>
>Just getting to perfect flying weather here in "Da South"
>
>Tim
>
>--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Joe Lachowski <jlachow at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Joe Lachowski <jlachow at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
>schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
>To: "NSRCA Discussion List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 10:50 AM
>Verne, I already put my pattern plane away for 
>the season. Just tooling around with my Angel S 
>50 EVO. I should have an Osiris in the air in 
>about two weeks to play with too. We probably 
>have about a month of  decent flying weather 
>left here in Joisy and that is usually it until late March.
>
>
>
>----------
>Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:26:20 -0700
>From: getterflash at yahoo.com
>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
>schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
>What I wouldn't give for one of your "bad" rounds  . . . .  . .;)
>
>Bob Kane
>getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>--- On Thu, 10/14/10, verne at twmi.rr.com <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>From: verne at twmi.rr.com <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
>schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 9:04 AM
>I'm having enough trouble with the proposed 
>schedule. After a fair amount of practice, I 
>just now have the quality level up to what most 
>would call a bad round. There's not much time 
>left either. It's getting dark before 7:00 PM around here...
>
>Verne
>
>
>---- Joe Lachowski 
><<http://mc/compose?to=jlachow@hotmail.com>jlachow at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>=============
>
>Hey Verne, we could put one of those cubans in the 2013 Masters sequence <g>.
>
> > From: <http://mc/compose?to=verne@twmi.rr.com>verne at twmi.rr.com
> > To: 
> <http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:27:33 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
> schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
> >
> > Would that be called the "Screwin Cuban"?
> >
> > I'm just asking....
> >
> > Verne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> <http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:02 PM
> > To: 
> <http://mc/compose?to=jonlowe@aol.com>jonlowe at aol.com; 
> <http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
> schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
> >
> > Nah, no nerve. Just light hearted agreement 
> that those sequences lack something. I'm 
> particularly fond of the Cuban 8 fetish someone 
> must have. I'm waiting for the Cuban with rolls integrated into each loop.
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "Jon Lowe" <<http://mc/compose?to=jonlowe@aol.com>jonlowe at aol.com>
> > Date: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 9:37 pm
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
> schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
> > To: 
> "<http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org" 
> <<http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >
> > I think I stuck more than one nerve.....!
> >
> > Jon Lowe
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Atwood, Mark 
> <<http://mc/compose?to=atwoodm@paragon-inc.com>atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > To: General pattern discussion 
> <<http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 7:39 pm
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
> schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
> >
> > Just to be clear
they suck to fly too. At 
> least with the Figure M itâ€™s centered so both 
> the pilot and the judge can see whatâ€™s 
> happening. On the turn-aroundâ€™s itâ€™s more 
> of a crap shoot depending on the lighting and 
> background as to whether or not you can really 
> tell what the plane is doing. Yeah, you can get 
> away with some stuff, but more often you just 
> end up in a bad position for the next maneuver.
> >
> > Mark Atwood
> > Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax: 440.684.3102
> > 
> <http://mc/compose?to=mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com>mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com> 
> | www.paragon-inc.com<<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
> >
> > From: 
> <http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>] 
> On Behalf Of Verne Koester
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:26 PM
> > To: 'General pattern discussion'
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
> schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
> >
> > Jon,
> > The FAI maneuvers that I REALLY donâ€™t like 
> are the ones in yaw. They look terrible and are 
> virtually impossible to judge. Iâ€™m talking 
> about maneuvers like the half loop with two 
> opposite full rolls integrated from F09 which 
> is only made uglier by the fact that itâ€™s an 
> end maneuver and the Half outside loop, with Â½ 
> integrated roll, also an end maneuver. They just look lousy to me.
> >
> > Verne
> >
> >
> >
> > From: 
> <http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>] 
> On Behalf Of Jon Lowe
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:52 PM
> > To: 
> <http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
> schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
> >
> > The FAI sequence committee ought to let ours 
> do their work. The F11 sequence is a disaster. 
> 1 1/2 reverse cuban with a whole bunch of crap 
> in it followed by an end box inverted half 
> cuban eight = a mess. Also, a snap followed by 
> a 4/8 opposite AND a snap with a 4 pt opposite 
> in the same sequence. What were they thinking? 
> No one could have ever actually flown that mess before putting it on paper.
> > Jon Lowe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Glaze 
> <<http://mc/compose?to=billglaze@bellsouth.net>billglaze at bellsouth.net<mailto:billglaze at bellsouth.net>>
> > To: General pattern discussion 
> <<http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Sent: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 2:35 pm
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
> schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
> > Verne:
> > I couldn't agree more. In the length of time 
> I've been flying Pattern, I haven't seen a 
> schedule of figures that was bad--some may have 
> been better than others, (notice: operative 
> word: "MAY") but there hasn't been a lousy one 
> that I've seen; this wasn't magic. I think 
> you're spot on for commending those people on 
> the previous comittee. Thanks for doing so.
> > Bill Glaze
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Verne Koester<mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > To: 'General pattern discussion'<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 3:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
> schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
> >
> > Just so thereâ€™s no confusion, Iâ€™m 
> complimenting and crediting the PREVIOUS 
> Sequence Committee that created the schedules 
> weâ€™ve been flying for the past few years. 
> Iâ€™m on the current committee and hope that 
> the schedules that will serve pattern in the 
> next few years do so as well as the schedules 
> weâ€™ve been flying. Just my opinion, but 
> Iâ€™ve watched the trends for a couple decades 
> now and you can really harm the sport, 
> particularly Sportsman and Intermediate with 
> schedules that are way out of whack with the 
> skill set at those levels. The increased 
> activity level weâ€™re seeing in and around D4 
> in Sportsman through Advanced are directly 
> related to the success of those schedules. I 
> remember Troy Newman, Joe Lachowski, and 
> possibly Dave Lockhart being on that committee 
> as well as others and theyâ€™re to be commended for getting us back on track.
> >
> > Verne Koester
> >
> > From: 
> <http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>] 
> On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:44 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
> schedule/class continuity: Was: Acceptable use policy for the list...
> >
> > Verne, I couldnâ€™t agree more. The schedule 
> committee has done a fabulous job but I think 
> we as a group have to stay very vigilant that 
> we maintain a common â€œGapâ€ and progression 
> between the classes. That does NOT mean we 
> canâ€™t or shouldnâ€™t keep up with the times. 
> But the balance is very important and I think 
> we currently have that (if by luck or design I 
> donâ€™t know or care). My son is going to try 
> and jump from Sportsman to intermediate in the 
> spring and it will be a HUGE one for him. BUT

> we went out to fly the maneuvers last week in 
> stages and while he canâ€™t put together the 
> whole sequence yet, I donâ€™t think he scared 
> himself making the attempt. A few of the 
> maneuvers had some pucker factor
 the double 
> immelman was the first time he had ever pushed 
> through an outside half loop, but since you 
> immediately roll to an upright and comfortable 
> orientation, he immediately relaxed and after 2 
> or 3 times I could tell it wonâ€™t be a problem.
> >
> > Thatâ€™s how the transitions should be. Exhilarating, but not frightening.
> >
> > Again to the sequence committee..well done.
> >
> > -M
> >
> > Mark Atwood
> > Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax: 440.684.3102
> > 
> <http://mc/compose?to=mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com>mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com> 
> | www.paragon-inc.com<<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
> >
> > From: 
> <http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>] 
> On Behalf Of Verne Koester
> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:40 AM
> > To: 'General pattern discussion'
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
> >
> > Iâ€™m confident that the schedules created by 
> the previous Sequence Committee has a lot to do 
> with it. The trick now is to keep the class 
> transitions and difficulty levels the same as 
> they are now. The quickest way to lose a new 
> Sportsman pilot is to make Intermediate too big of a jump in difficulty level.
> >
> > Verne
> >
> >
> >
> > From: 
> <http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>] 
> On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:34 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
> >
> > It has to be a cycle. Our area (D4) use to be 
> a hotbed for pattern in the 80â€™s but through 
> the 90â€™s and aughtâ€™s we saw a very steady 
> decline in participation. But the last 3-4 
> years has seen a resurgence of pattern activity 
> and a host of new participants. We still have a 
> large masters class of long time competitors, 
> but our contests now have a solid contingent of 
> Sportsman and Intermediates showing up to many 
> contests. Our district champs had 10 in 
> Advanced
 A combination of long time old blood, 
> some new advancements from Intermediate, and 
> some former participants that are coming back to the scene.
> >
> > I have NO idea what triggered this, but I like it â˜º
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> > Mark Atwood
> > Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax: 440.684.3102
> > 
> <http://mc/compose?to=mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com>mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com> 
> | www.paragon-inc.com<<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
> >
> > From: 
> <http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?>] 
> On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
> > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:18 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
> >
> > It'll be interesting to see what happens 
> next. The survival of our newsletter is tied 
> directly to the number of advertisers. If those 
> who sell products related to our hobby don't 
> think it is profitable to continue advertising 
> in the K-Factor, our newsletter will founder. 
> I'm sure the poor economy is part of the 
> problem. As the owner of a small hobby shop, I 
> can tell you that my sales this year will be 
> about half of what they were 5-7 years ago.
> >
> > It appears that the number of competitors is 
> down in the southeast. I was stunned to see 
> only 12 competitors at the O.J. Stillman 
> contest in Jacksonville just over a week ago. 
> That contest normally has numbers in the high 
> 20s - low 30s. The Huntsville contest in 
> September used to be a major contest, but there 
> were so few contestants that we were either 
> flying, calling or judging all the time. I know 
> that numbers like that will cause clubs to 
> think twice about hosting another contest. 
> After a hiatus of almost ten years, my club, 
> the Eglin Aero Modellers, is hosting a contest 
> in just over a week. I hope the number of 
> competitors is sufficiently high, because, if 
> they are, I'm sure we will continue hosting the 
> contest. If not, there won't be another contest.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:
> >
> > So how many competitors do we have left?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 13:11, mike mueller 
> <<http://mc/compose?to=mups1953@yahoo.com>mups1953 at yahoo.com<mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>> 
> wrote:
> > I'm sure some see it as a small deal but if 
> you are a competitor and attempting to abide by 
> the rules you may have a completly different 
> perspective. For that reason I think the rules 
> in place are well thought out and I think Derek 
> is correct in pointing it out. MIke
> >
> > --- On Wed, 10/6/10, Keith Hoard 
> <<http://mc/compose?to=khoard@gmail.com>khoard at gmail.com<mailto:khoard at gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Keith Hoard 
> <<http://mc/compose?to=khoard@gmail.com>khoard at gmail.com<mailto:khoard at gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
> > To: "General pattern discussion" 
> <<http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 12:49 PM
> > I'll second that!!!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:03, "GEORGE KENNIE" 
> <<http://mc/compose?to=geobet4@verizon.net>geobet4 at verizon.net<mailto:geobet4 at verizon.net>> 
> wrote:
> > I think this was meant as an advisory.
> >
> > I don't think you'd want to call him in 
> January only to find out that they were no longer an
> > available item when you had expected them to be.
> >
> > I have always found his updates to be useful 
> information and his use of our site to be discreet !
> >
> > As he is not the only purveyor amoungst our 
> group to utilize the site for a heads up and certainly
> > not abusing the privelidge, it would seem to 
> me that these types of advisories should be allowed
> > without recriminations.
> >
> > I think a discretionary reaction should prevail.
> >
> > G.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Derek 
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> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:51 AM
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
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