[NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...

Wed Oct 13 13:01:05 AKDT 2010

Jon, as usual, you give WAY too much credit...

At 15:51 2010/10/13, you wrote:
>SNIP...  What were they thinking?  No one could 
>have ever actually flown that mess before putting it on paper.
>
>Jon Lowe
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 2:35 pm
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
>schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
>
>Verne:
>I couldn't agree more.  In the length of time 
>I've been flying Pattern, I haven't seen a 
>schedule of figures that was bad--some may have 
>been better than others, (notice: operative 
>word:  "MAY") but there hasn't been a lousy one 
>that I've seen; this wasn't magic.  I think 
>you're spot on for commending those people on 
>the previous comittee.  Thanks for doing so.
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com>Verne Koester
>To: <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>'General pattern discussion'
>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 3:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
>schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...
>
>Just so thereâ€™s no confusion, Iâ€™m 
>complimenting and crediting the PREVIOUS 
>Sequence Committee that created the schedules 
>weâ€™ve been flying for the past few years. 
>Iâ€™m on the current committee and hope that the 
>schedules that will serve pattern in the next 
>few years do so as well as the schedules weâ€™ve 
>been flying. Just my opinion, but Iâ€™ve watched 
>the trends for a couple decades now and you can 
>really harm the sport, particularly Sportsman 
>and Intermediate with schedules that are way out 
>of whack with the skill set at those levels. The 
>increased activity level weâ€™re seeing in and 
>around D4 in Sportsman through Advanced are 
>directly related to the success of those 
>schedules. I remember Troy Newman, Joe 
>Lachowski, and possibly Dave Lockhart being on 
>that committee as well as others and theyâ€™re 
>to be commended for getting us back on track.
>
>Verne Koester
>
>From: 
><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:44 AM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining 
>schedule/class continuity: Was: Acceptable use policy for the list...
>
>Verne, I couldnâ€™t agree more.  The schedule 
>committee has done a fabulous job but I think we 
>as a group have to stay very vigilant that we 
>maintain a common â€œGapâ€ and progression 
>between the classes.  That does NOT mean we 
>canâ€™t or shouldnâ€™t keep up with the 
>times.   But the balance is very important and I 
>think we currently have that (if by luck or 
>design I donâ€™t know or care).   My son is 
>going to try and jump from Sportsman to 
>intermediate in the spring and it will be a HUGE 
>one for him.  BUT
 we went out to fly the 
>maneuvers last week in stages and while he 
>canâ€™t put together the whole sequence yet, I 
>donâ€™t think he scared himself making the 
>attempt.   A few of the maneuvers had some 
>pucker factorâ€¦ the double immelman was the 
>first time he had ever pushed through an outside 
>half loop, but since you immediately  roll to an 
>upright and comfortable orientation, he 
>immediately relaxed and after 2 or 3 times I 
>could tell it wonâ€™t be a problem.
>
>Thatâ€™s how the transitions should be.  Exhilarating, but not frightening.
>
>Again to the sequence committee..well done.
>
>-M
>
>Mark Atwood
>Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
><mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 
>|  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>From: 
><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:40 AM
>To: 'General pattern discussion'
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
>
>Iâ€™m confident that the schedules created by 
>the previous Sequence Committee has a lot to do 
>with it. The trick now is to keep the class 
>transitions and difficulty levels the same as 
>they are now. The quickest way to lose a new 
>Sportsman pilot is to make Intermediate too big of a jump in difficulty level.
>
>Verne
>
>
>
>From: 
><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:34 AM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
>
>It has to be a cycle.   Our area (D4) use to be 
>a hotbed for pattern in the 80â€™s but through 
>the 90â€™s and aughtâ€™s we saw a very steady 
>decline in participation.  But the last 3-4 
>years has seen a resurgence of pattern activity 
>and a host of new participants.   We still have 
>a large masters class of long time competitors, 
>but our contests now have a solid contingent of 
>Sportsman and Intermediates showing up to many 
>contests.  Our district champs had 10 in 
>Advanced
   A combinatioon of long time old 
>blood, some new advancements from Intermediate, 
>and some former participants that are coming back to the scene.
>
>I have NO idea what triggered this, but I like it J
>
>-Mark
>
>Mark Atwood
>Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
><mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 
>|  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>From: 
><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:18 AM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
>
>It'll be interesting to see what happens next. 
>The survival of our newsletter is tied directly 
>to the number of advertisers.  If those who sell 
>products related to our hobby don't think it is 
>profitable to continue advertising in the 
>K-Factor, our newsletter will founder.  I'm sure 
>the poor economy is part of the problem.  As the 
>owner of a small hobby shop, I can tell you that 
>my sales this year will be about half of what they were 5-7 years ago.
>
>It appears that the number of competitors is 
>down in the southeast.  I was stunned to see 
>only 12 competitors at the O.J. Stillman contest 
>in Jacksonville just over a week ago.  That 
>contest normally has numbers in the high 20s - 
>low 30s.  The Huntsville contest in September 
>used to be a major contest, but there were so 
>few contestants that we were either flying, 
>calling or judging all the time.  I know that 
>numbers like that will cause clubs to think 
>twice about hosting another contest.  After a 
>hiatus of almost ten years, my club, the Eglin 
>Aero Modellers, is hosting a contest in just 
>over a week.  I hope the number of competitors 
>is sufficiently high, because, if they are, I'm 
>sure we will continue hosting the contest.  If 
>not, there won't be another contest.
>
>Ron
>
>On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:
>
>So how many competitors do we have left?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Oct 6, 2010, at 13:11, mike mueller 
><<mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>mups1953 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  I'm sure some see it as a small deal but if 
> you are a competitor and attempting to abide by 
> the rules you may have a completly different 
> perspective. For that reason I think the rules 
> in place are well thought out and I think Derek 
> is correct in pointing it out. MIke
>
>--- On Wed, 10/6/10, Keith Hoard 
><<mailto:khoard at gmail.com>khoard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Keith Hoard <<mailto:khoard at gmail.com>khoard at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
>To: "General pattern discussion" 
><<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 12:49 PM
>I'll second that!!!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:03, "GEORGE KENNIE" 
><<mailto:geobet4 at verizon.net>geobet4 at verizon.net> wrote:
>I think this was meant as an advisory.
>
>I don't think you'd want to call him in January 
>only to find out that they were no longer an
>available item when you had expected them to be.
>
>I have always found his updates to be useful 
>information and his use of our site to be discreet !
>
>As he is not the only purveyor amoungst our 
>group to utilize the site for a heads up and certainly
>not abusing the privelidge, it would seem to me 
>that these types of advisories should be allowed
>without recriminations.
>
>I think a discretionary reaction should prevail.
>
>G.
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: 
><http://us.mc510.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com>Derek 
>Koopowitz
>To: 
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>List
>Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:51 AM
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
>
>Iâ€™d just like to point out a reminder for 
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