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<font size=3>Jon, as usual, you give WAY too much credit...<br><br>
At 15:51 2010/10/13, you wrote:<br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>SNIP... What were
they</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=5 color="#0000FF"><b>
thinking</b></font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>? No one
could have ever actually flown that mess before putting it on
paper.<br><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>Jon Lowe<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Bill Glaze <billglaze@bellsouth.net><br>
To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
Sent: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 2:35 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class continuity:
Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...<br><br>
Verne:<br>
I couldn't agree more. In the length of time I've been flying
Pattern, I haven't seen a schedule of figures that was bad--some may have
been better than others, (notice: operative word: "MAY")
but there hasn't been a lousy one that I've seen; this wasn't
magic. I think you're spot on for commending those people on the
previous comittee. Thanks for doing so.<br>
Bill Glaze<br>
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<dd>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<dd>From:</b> <a href="mailto:verne@twmi.rr.com">Verne Koester</a> <br>
<dd>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">'General
pattern discussion'</a> <br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 07, 2010 3:13 PM<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...<br><br>
<dd>Just so there’s no confusion, I’m complimenting and crediting the
PREVIOUS Sequence Committee that created the schedules we’ve been
flying for the past few years. I’m on the current committee and hope
that the schedules that will serve pattern in the next few years do so as
well as the schedules we’ve been flying. Just my opinion, but I’ve
watched the trends for a couple decades now and you can really harm the
sport, particularly Sportsman and Intermediate with schedules that are
way out of whack with the skill set at those levels. The increased
activity level we’re seeing in and around D4 in Sportsman through
Advanced are directly related to the success of those schedules. I
remember Troy Newman, Joe Lachowski, and possibly Dave Lockhart being on
that committee as well as others and they’re to be commended for
getting us back on track.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Verne Koester<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of
</b>Atwood, Mark<br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:44 AM<br>
<dd>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class
continuity: Was: Acceptable use policy for the list...<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Verne, I couldn’t agree more. The schedule committee has done
a fabulous job but I think we as a group have to stay very vigilant that
we maintain a common “Gap” and progression between the classes.
That does NOT mean we can’t or shouldn’t keep up with the
times. But the balance is very important and I think we
currently have that (if by luck or design I don’t know or
care). My son is going to try and jump from Sportsman to
intermediate in the spring and it will be a HUGE one for him. BUT
we went out to fly the maneuvers last week in stages and while he can’t
put together the whole sequence yet, I don’t think he scared himself
making the attempt. A few of the maneuvers had some pucker
factor… the double immelman was the first time he had ever pushed
through an outside half loop, but since you immediately roll to an
upright and comfortable orientation, he immediately relaxed and after 2
or 3 times I could tell it won’t be a problem.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>That’s how the transitions should be. Exhilarating, but not
frightening. <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Again to the sequence committee..well done.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>-M<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Mark Atwood<br>
<dd>Paragon Consulting, Inc.</b> |</b> President<br>
<dd>5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 <br>
<dd>Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 |</b> Fax: 440.684.3102<br>
<dd><a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">
mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a> |</b>
<a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" eudora="autourl">
www.paragon-inc.com</a><br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of
</b>Verne Koester<br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:40 AM<br>
<dd>To:</b> 'General pattern discussion'<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the
list...<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I’m confident that the schedules created by the previous Sequence
Committee has a lot to do with it. The trick now is to keep the class
transitions and difficulty levels the same as they are now. The quickest
way to lose a new Sportsman pilot is to make Intermediate too big of a
jump in difficulty level.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Verne<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of
</b>Atwood, Mark<br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:34 AM<br>
<dd>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the
list...<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>It has to be a cycle. Our area (D4) use to be a hotbed
for pattern in the 80’s but through the 90’s and aught’s we saw a
very steady decline in participation. But the last 3-4 years has
seen a resurgence of pattern activity and a host of new
participants. We still have a large masters class of long
time competitors, but our contests now have a solid contingent of
Sportsman and Intermediates showing up to many contests. Our
district champs had 10 in Advanced A combinatioon of long
time old blood, some new advancements from Intermediate, and some former
participants that are coming back to the scene.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I have NO idea what triggered this, but I like it J<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>-Mark<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Mark Atwood<br>
<dd>Paragon Consulting, Inc.</b> |</b> President<br>
<dd>5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 <br>
<dd>Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 |</b> Fax: 440.684.3102<br>
<dd><a href="mailto:mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com">
mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com</a> |</b>
<a href="http://www.paragon-inc.com/" eudora="autourl">
www.paragon-inc.com</a><br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of
</b>Ronald Van Putte<br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:18 AM<br>
<dd>To:</b> General pattern discussion<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the
list...<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>It'll be interesting to see what happens next. The survival of our
newsletter is tied directly to the number of advertisers. If those
who sell products related to our hobby don't think it is profitable to
continue advertising in the K-Factor, our newsletter will founder.
I'm sure the poor economy is part of the problem. As the owner of a
small hobby shop, I can tell you that my sales this year will be about
half of what they were 5-7 years ago.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>It appears that the number of competitors is down in the
southeast. I was stunned to see only 12 competitors at the O.J.
Stillman contest in Jacksonville just over a week ago. That contest
normally has numbers in the high 20s - low 30s. The Huntsville
contest in September used to be a major contest, but there were so few
contestants that we were either flying, calling or judging all the
time. I know that numbers like that will cause clubs to think twice
about hosting another contest. After a hiatus of almost ten years,
my club, the Eglin Aero Modellers, is hosting a contest in just over a
week. I hope the number of competitors is sufficiently high,
because, if they are, I'm sure we will continue hosting the
contest. If not, there won't be another contest.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Ron<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>So how many competitors do we have left?<br>
<br>
<dd>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>
<dd>On Oct 6, 2010, at 13:11, mike mueller
<<a href="mailto:mups1953@yahoo.com">mups1953@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<dd> I'm sure some see it as a small deal but if you are a
competitor and attempting to abide by the rules you may have a completly
different perspective. For that reason I think the rules in place are
well thought out and I think Derek is correct in pointing it out.
MIke<br><br>
<dd>--- On Wed, 10/6/10, Keith Hoard
<<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:<br><br>
<dd>From: Keith Hoard
<<a href="mailto:khoard@gmail.com">khoard@gmail.com</a>><br>
<dd>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the
list...<br>
<dd>To: "General pattern discussion"
<<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">
nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
<dd>Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 12:49 PM<br>
<dd>I'll second that!!!<br><br>
<dd>Sent from my iPhone<br><br>
<dd>On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:03, "GEORGE KENNIE"
<<a href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net">geobet4@verizon.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<dd>I think this was meant as an advisory. <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I don't think you'd want to call him in January only to find out that
they were no longer an<br>
<dd>available item when you had expected them to be.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I have always found his updates to be useful information and his use
of our site to be discreet !<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>As he is not the only purveyor amoungst our group to utilize the site
for a heads up and certainly <br>
<dd>not abusing the privelidge, it would seem to me that these types of
advisories should be allowed<br>
<dd>without recriminations.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I think a discretionary reaction should prevail.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>G.<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd> <br>
<dd> <br>
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<dd>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<dd>From:</b>
<a href="http://us.mc510.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">
Derek Koopowitz</a> <br>
<dd>To:</b>
<a href="http://us.mc510.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">
NSRCA List</a> <br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:51 AM<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the
list...<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>I’d just like to point out a reminder for everyone about the
list’s acceptable use policy please see:<br>
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