[NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2010 F3A and Masters Finals

Tue Oct 5 03:25:33 AKDT 2010

Matt,

Thank you for the explanation.  The ranking as it stands is a very good system.  If improvement is possible, I'm confident someone will find a method to do so.

-mark
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 05:26
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2010 F3A and Masters Finals

  Mark and all,

  Judge Ranking program doesn't account for one judge seeing a 10 and another seeing a zero. From the judge's perspective, each is right. The calculations respect each judge's score equally. 

  One "low" judge can sometimes be on the same panel as 4 "high" judges and vice versa. Who is right? That situation will skew the data and all judges will be ranked lower than if a panel was more consistent. 

  Any of the rankings I've posted,  judges are ranked respective to their peers on any given panel, because the whole panel was used to place the pilots for any round, officially. Judge Rank doesn't get to pick and choose; it plays no favorites.

  As RVP, Tony, Don and I have said over the years, this program was never cast in stone. If there is a better way, maybe we can improve the program.

  Regards

  MattK

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Mark Hunt <flyintexan at att.net>
  To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 10:33 pm
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2010 F3A and Masters Finals

  yes.  Nice work.  my only beef with judge ranking is..what if the minority is getting it right?......how many of the majority really downgrade for distance?..;)

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 
    To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
    Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 22:15
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judge Rank, 2010 F3A and Masters Finals

    Hey,

    Did this get through the frst time??

    -----Original Message-----
    From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
    To: rcmaster199 at aol.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
    Sent: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 2:57 pm
    Subject: Judge Rank, 2010 F3A and Masters Finals

    Just finished the calculations from 2010 for both F3A and Masters Finals. Now I need to edit the website to bring everything to date:

    F3A, 2 rounds flown; F11 plus unknown

    Dale Arnold             Rd 1= 927.2------rd2 = 883.8
    Mark Radcliff           Rd1= 870.2------rd2 = 879.5
    Derek Koopowitz      Rd 1= 869
    Mike Harrison          Rd1= 825.6
    Rusty Dose              Rd 1 =806.7
    Mark Atwood           Rd 2=914.2
    Bill Ahrens               Rd2=837.1
    Tom Miller               Rd2=890.1

    Masters, 3 rounds flown:

    Don Ramsey          Rd 1= 911.1-----------Rd 2= 873.6
    Tony Romano         Rd 1= 904.5-----------Rd 2=899.1
    Ed Alt                    Rd 1= 893.1-----------Rd 2=811.0
    Carlos Barrera        Rd 1= 838.9-----------Rd 2=809.7
    Joe Dunnaway        Rd 1= 792.2-----------Rd 2=748.7

    Round 3

    Rick Wallace        Rd 3 = 861.9
    RVP                     Rd 3 = 782.2
    Gary Courtney      Rd 3 = 770.7
    John Fuqua           Rd 3 = 753.7
    Christopher Moon  Rd 3 = 717.8

    When we first started to do these calculations some 7 years ago, the judges were hard pressed to get an average score in the 900s. But now we have had several do that and a couple more than once. 

    We've actually had a few judges score the Placement part of the calculation,1000 points, which means they placed every pilot in the correct order per the official score. It has also become clear that certain judges consistently score the Scoring part of the calculation in the 900's which means they are closer to the average score than the other judges. Both of these feats are hard to do consistenctly since the judging panels change as much as they do

    Kudos to all for your consistency and dilligence

    Regards,

    MattK

    On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:26 PM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: 

    > Judge Rankings from the F3A Finals in 2009. Will be calculating the > 2010 and posting soon 
    > 
    > 
    > Rounds 1 and 2 
    > 
    > JFuqua 744.9 805.0 
    > BKane 853.8 786.1 
    > DRamsey 853.0 871.2 
    > RWallace 818.9 845.3 
    > CBarrera 799.6 885.2 
    > 
    > 
    > Rounds 3 and 4 
    > 
    > DArnold 981.2 889.6 
    > MAtwood 870.8 895.2 
    > ABouchard 848.9 826.2 
    > EHaury 912.8 906.7 
    > KVelez 904.5 983.2 
    > 
    > Regards 
    > 
    > MattK 
    > 
    > 
    > -----Original Message----- 
    > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 
    > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
    > Sent: Fri, Sep 17, 2010 10:45 pm 
    > Subject: Judge Rank, 2009 Masters Final 
    > 
    > Judge Rankings from 2009 Masters Final. Belated information for > inquiring minds; This will be on the NSRCA website at some point, > as I complete the assessment: 
    > 
    > Judge: Scores 
    > R Lewis 879.0 875.2 
    > G Miller 824.3 804.2 
    > J Lowe 720.8 861.4 
    > T Romano 778.9 946.0 
    > M Hunt 757.1 769.8 
    > B Clemmons 903.8 785.1 
    > J Dunnaway 783.7 816.8 
    > J Lechowski 787.3 843.1 
    > RVP 877.2 781.3 
    > T Terrenoiser 884.6 866.9 
    > 
    > Note: First 5 judges judged rounds 1 and 2; the last 5, rounds 3 and 4 
    > 
    > Regards, 
    > 
    > MattK 
    > 
    > = 
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