[NSRCA-discussion] S.bus

Phil Spelt chuenkan at comcast.net
Fri Jul 9 12:44:24 AKDT 2010


Hey, I'd work with them in a heartbeat!

At 12:44 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>Sounds like a mission for the 
>NSRCAAFAPSAHITIRCAF (NSRCA Academy For Advanced 
>Pattern Studies And Human Interfaces To Improve 
>Radio Controlled Aerobatic Flight).Â
>
>
>On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Phil Spelt 
><<mailto:chuenkan at comcast.net>chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>Bill, that is an empirical question -- one that 
>could be tested in the lab.  However, I am 
>convinced that your implication is 
>correct:Â  the difference between 7 ms and 14ms 
>is probably not detectable by anyone.  The 
>fascinating question is, where is the mean 
>cut-off time between non-detectable and detectable delays...
>
>Anyone got a coupl'a mil $$ so I can but the 
>equipment and conduct the tests??? lol
>
>At 12:00 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>>The next question then becomes, at what level 
>>can we perceive a difference in performance? In 
>>other words, can we really perceive a 
>>difference between 7ms and 14ms latency? I will 
>>not argue that large differences are readily 
>>perceptible (25 versus 250), but what about 
>>smaller differences. How large of a difference 
>>does there need to be and is there a threshold 
>>below which it does not really matter?
>>
>>
>>
>>Phil Spelt wrote:
>>>As a Psychologist, I agree with you, 
>>>Bill.  As an R/C pattern jockey, I will only 
>>>point out that the electronic latency is ADDED TO the wet-ware latency...
>>>
>>>Thus, your last statement is true, indeed!
>>>
>>>At 11:19 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote:
>>>>I am amused by discussions about latency. We 
>>>>have long discussions about the perceived 
>>>>advantages of single digit differences in 
>>>>system latency while ignoring the fact that 
>>>>the average human reaction time (call it 
>>>>organic latency) is around 250 milliseconds.
>>>>
>>>>I guess you can argue that since we are 
>>>>inherently so slow we need all the electronic help we can get!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jon Lowe wrote:
>>There is a great article on latency here:
>>
>><http://www.rcmodelreviews.com/what_is_latency.shtml>http://www.rcmodelreviews.com/what_is_latency.shtml
>>
>>A lot of people are hung up on 
>>transmitter/receiver latency numbers, and don't 
>>see the whole picture.  This gives as good a 
>>fact based write up as any I've seen.
>>
>>Jon Lowe
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