[NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

Wed Jan 6 14:41:51 AKST 2010

At least in the Northeast, 90 percent or more of the guys abide by the rules. And planes that are a pound overweight would be easy to spot. Just watch how they fly. It is obvious. And frankly, if someone wants to fly at a disadvantage, let them.

As a CD, I don't have the manpower for weighing planes. Funny thing, a few years back we had courtesy weighing at one contest. Best of my recollection, everyone was legal. I found most pattern people are honest and abide by the rules. At least in my neck of the woods they do. I really don't think local level contests are the issue when it comes to weight.

I do, however, feel it is a necessity at a premier event like the Nationals. It is making the playing field even  and knowing everyone meets the rules at a Nationals where everyone comes from different parts of the country that counts. I said, I prefer the current rules, but would not think it smart to make a big jump if it were done. OK maybe 4 ozs is a more realistic starting point if it were to be done. Most people who have trouble making weight are in that area of 1 to 4 ozs when it comes to being over the weight limit anyway.

A 0.5kg tolerance is alot. Over a pound alot.

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:05:56 -0700
From: jgghome at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

I'll bet there are a lot of planes flying in contests that are easily a pound overweight. I can't see anyone designing planes to add a pound.
Our current planes may be pigs at 5.5Kg, I agree but some of the older designs flown in lower classes that have more wing area are probably fine.
I don't see much point in playing with 2 ounce increments at 2 year intervals. I definitely could not support removal of the weight criteria. Raising the limit by a pound and then weighing at local contests has a certain appeal. One way to do it would be to leave the weight at 5 Kg and then raise the tolerance to 0.5 Kg and weigh everything in sight.

John

Joe Lachowski wrote: 

5.5 kilos is a flying pig in my book. I bet most planes there are very close to 5 kilos anyway to be competititive.

I prefer our current requirements, but could be persuaded to add 2 maybe 3 ozs tops in our national classes to help people save a couple of bucks. Anything more might open up a can of worms. I can support 2 ozs to see what it gains us and then reevaluate in two years. There are some out there who want to make a significantly larger jump up. I think small increments at a time is a much wiser approach. 

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0700
From: jgghome at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5 kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed empty with a tolerance of 1%.

John

Bob Kane wrote: 
Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft.  It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum. 

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
you whippersnackers might be able  
to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because
being whipped in a  
long race by an old guy would be humiliating.

Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
design action  
on your large hamster charging wheel project.

Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
change  
long enough yet?

RVP

On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com
wrote:

That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish
      heritage, I have been  

trying to find a less expensive way to charge
      batteries.  I have  

been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
      power, but have  

been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
      the wheel.   

Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self
      wouldn't get but  

a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.

Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a
      fiddle.  I sure as heck am  

not going to take him up on his challenge.

RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
      wheel is  

comfortable?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't
      challenge him!

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
      On Behalf Of  

Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He
      probably knows a  

short cut,
having seen that path before there was dirt...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
      44124

Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
      440.684.3102

mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 
      |  www.paragon-inc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
      On Behalf Of Ron  

Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Any participants in this discussion who comment
      negatively on RVP's

ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
      challenged to a foot

race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
      trailer and back.

RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor. 
        Couldn't figure it

out.  Thought it might have been a response
        about RVP?

Stuart

Ed Alt wrote:

Argh - replied to the wrong message  -
          sorry!

From: Ed Alt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Something that old is filled with dried up
          capacitors in the power

supply.  When they dry up, nothing is
          likely to work

From: Gene Maurice
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

John,

401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
          used as the key to the

class / schedule data, it just happen to be
          the AMA class /

schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
          those identifiers

anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
          you to "Name" the

classes. You can also assign any schedule to
          any class in your

contest. The way the system works today is
          that by default it

assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
          of the date of the

contest.

Currently the key to the schedules is the
          ID  mentioned above and

the schedule effective date. You can create a
          new schedule without

deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
          a different

effective date and then change the schedule
          assigned to the class

in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade
          will be to add and

Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
          MAAC, etc.. in

addition then it can default to the schedule
          in effect for that

organization but still allow you to select and
          assign any schedule.

Every release of PACSS has included a file
          conversion program that

converts the existing user data to whatever
          that new file format

is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
          I will do

everything I can to preserve any custom data.

Hope this helps.....

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
          [mailto:nsrca-

discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
          On Behalf Of John Gayer

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
          schedules between

401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
          replace the current AMA/

FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
          foreign county.

Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
          a PACSS update?

I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
          text file that can

be used to input the schedules  for any
          contest, foreign or

domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
          plenty of folks

around the world that would keep their version
          up to date and send

you the file for inclusion in updates.

Here's the url for the current British
          patterns:   http://

www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm

John

Gene Maurice wrote:

Phil,

You CAN add / maintain your own
          schedules.  "System Maintenance"

tab, "Schedules" button.

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

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          [mailto:nsrca-

discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
          On Behalf Of Phil Spelt

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Happy New Year, Gene!!!

The SPA schedule will remain the same for
          2010.  We will probably

change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll
          send the new patterns to

you.  How 'bout just making an app to let
          us update the schedules

ourselves.  Would that be too much work
          for you, or would it

reduce your work every couple of years?

We sure do appreciate the work you do on
          PACSS!!!  I believe it is

THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
          the Southeast...

At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:

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All PACSS Users,

I am in the process of making a number
          modifications to PACSS. One

of the changes is to make the use of
          "foreign", other than AMA /

FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
          this I need to know

what are the Organizations and associated
          schedules that are being

used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
          schedules from last year

but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
          updated schedules

from those two organizations would be
          helpful.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated

Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com

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