[NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
John Gayer
jgghome at comcast.net
Wed Jan 6 14:18:08 AKST 2010
That's partially what the 0.5 Kg tolerance is for. How long does it take
to weigh a plane casually? If the numbers are posted, then there is
another data point. If you see a plane and like the way it flies, you
can check the weight. I expect it will be a light airplane and you will
get positive enforcement that "light is good". This is an important
lesson for those starting out in pattern. Also, if someone is flying the
same plane as I am but it's 1/2 pound lighter, I am sure going to be
peppering him with questions about how he did it.
It wouldn't take any longer to weigh planes than it does to take photos
for the plaques. In fact, both could be done at once with minimum time
penalty.
Don't you have a scale that's good to an ounce or two that you could
bring to a local contest? I do.
John
Dave Burton wrote:
>
> How many CDs have access to accurate scales to weigh at local contest?
> How many that are running contest with a minimum of help would want to
> weigh planes in a good environment with accurate scales in addition to
> all the other tasks they have to keep up with? It's not a bad thing
> that planes are never weighed or measured at local contest.
>
> Dave Burton
>
>
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *John
> Gayer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:06 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
>
>
>
> I'll bet there are a lot of planes flying in contests that are easily
> a pound overweight. I can't see anyone designing planes to add a pound.
> Our current planes may be pigs at 5.5Kg, I agree but some of the older
> designs flown in lower classes that have more wing area are probably fine.
> I don't see much point in playing with 2 ounce increments at 2 year
> intervals. I definitely could not support removal of the weight
> criteria. Raising the limit by a pound and then weighing at local
> contests has a certain appeal. One way to do it would be to leave the
> weight at 5 Kg and then raise the tolerance to 0.5 Kg and weigh
> everything in sight.
>
> John
>
>
>
> Joe Lachowski wrote:
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> 5.5 kilos is a flying pig in my book. I bet most planes there are very
> close to 5 kilos anyway to be competititive.
>
> I prefer our current requirements, but could be persuaded to add
> 2 maybe 3 ozs tops in our national classes to help people save a
> couple of bucks. Anything more might open up a can of worms. I can
> support 2 ozs to see what it gains us and then reevaluate in two
> years. There are some out there who want to make a significantly
> larger jump up. I think small increments at a time is a much wiser
> approach.
>
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> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0700
> From: jgghome at comcast.net <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net>
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
>
> Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over
> the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5
> kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed
> empty with a tolerance of 1%.
>
> John
>
> Bob Kane wrote:
>
> Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft. It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum.
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com <mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> <mailto:vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
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>
>
> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> <mailto:vanputte at cox.net>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
> To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com <mailto:mklein25 at roadrunner.com>, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
>
> OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
>
> you whippersnackers might be able
>
> to beat me. Most are afraid to find out, because
>
> being whipped in a
>
> long race by an old guy would be humiliating.
>
>
>
> Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
>
> design action
>
> on your large hamster charging wheel project.
>
>
>
> Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
>
> change
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> long enough yet?
>
>
>
> RVP
>
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com <mailto:mklein25 at roadrunner.com>
>
> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> That's great news Tony! Given my Jewish
>
>
>
> heritage, I have been
>
>
>
> trying to find a less expensive way to charge
>
>
>
> batteries. I have
>
>
>
> been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
>
>
>
> power, but have
>
>
>
> been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
>
>
>
> the wheel.
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>
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> Looks like RVP is my man! Lord knows my fat self
>
>
>
> wouldn't get but
>
>
>
> a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.
>
>
>
> Give RVP his due. That man is fit as a
>
>
>
> fiddle. I sure as heck am
>
>
>
> not going to take him up on his challenge.
>
>
>
> RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
>
>
>
> wheel is
>
>
>
> comfortable?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com> <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
>
> To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>
>
> No, RVP is a Marathoner..... I wouldn't
>
>
>
> challenge him!
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
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> Brunswick, GA 31525
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> 1-800-962-7802
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> www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
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> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
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>
> On Behalf Of
>
>
>
> Atwood, Mark
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
>
> To: General pattern discussion
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
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>
>
> Careful guys... he's probably setting us up. He
>
>
>
> probably knows a
>
>
>
> short cut,
>
> having seen that path before there was dirt...
>
>
>
> Mark Atwood
>
> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President
>
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
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> 44124
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> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax:
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> 440.684.3102
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> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com <mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>
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> | www.paragon-inc.com <http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
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> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
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>
>
> On Behalf Of Ron
>
>
>
> Van Putte
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
>
> To: General pattern discussion
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>
>
> Any participants in this discussion who comment
>
>
>
> negatively on RVP's
>
>
>
> ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
>
>
>
> challenged to a foot
>
>
>
> race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
>
>
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> trailer and back.
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>
>
> RVP
>
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
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> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.
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>
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> Couldn't figure it
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>
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> out. Thought it might have been a response
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>
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> about RVP?
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>
>
> Stuart
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> Ed Alt wrote:
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> Argh - replied to the wrong message -
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> sorry!
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>
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> From: Ed Alt
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>
>
> Something that old is filled with dried up
>
>
>
> capacitors in the power
>
>
>
> supply. When they dry up, nothing is
>
>
>
> likely to work
>
>
>
> From: Gene Maurice
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>
>
> John,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
>
>
>
> used as the key to the
>
>
>
> class / schedule data, it just happen to be
>
>
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> the AMA class /
>
>
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> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
>
>
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> those identifiers
>
>
>
> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
>
>
>
> you to "Name" the
>
>
>
> classes. You can also assign any schedule to
>
>
>
> any class in your
>
>
>
> contest. The way the system works today is
>
>
>
> that by default it
>
>
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> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
>
>
>
> of the date of the
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>
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> contest.
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>
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>
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> Currently the key to the schedules is the
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>
>
> ID mentioned above and
>
>
>
> the schedule effective date. You can create a
>
>
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> new schedule without
>
>
>
> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
>
>
>
> a different
>
>
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> effective date and then change the schedule
>
>
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> assigned to the class
>
>
>
> in Contest Setup. Part of the upgrade
>
>
>
> will be to add and
>
>
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> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
>
>
>
> MAAC, etc.. in
>
>
>
> addition then it can default to the schedule
>
>
>
> in effect for that
>
>
>
> organization but still allow you to select and
>
>
>
> assign any schedule.
>
>
>
> Every release of PACSS has included a file
>
>
>
> conversion program that
>
>
>
> converts the existing user data to whatever
>
>
>
> that new file format
>
>
>
> is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
>
>
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> I will do
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>
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> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
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>
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>
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> Hope this helps.....
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Gene Maurice
>
>
>
> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>
>
>
> Dallas, GA
>
>
>
> AMA 3408
>
>
>
> NSRCA 877
>
>
>
> PACSS.sgmservice.com
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>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>
>
> [mailto:nsrca-
>
>
>
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
>
>
>
> On Behalf Of John Gayer
>
>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>
> To: General pattern discussion
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gene,
>
> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
>
>
>
> schedules between
>
>
>
> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
>
>
>
> replace the current AMA/
>
>
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> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
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>
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> foreign county.
>
>
>
> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
>
>
>
> a PACSS update?
>
>
>
> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
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>
>
> text file that can
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>
>
> be used to input the schedules for any
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>
>
> contest, foreign or
>
>
>
> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
>
>
>
> plenty of folks
>
>
>
> around the world that would keep their version
>
>
>
> up to date and send
>
>
>
> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>
>
>
> Here's the url for the current British
>
>
>
> patterns: http://
>
>
>
> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm <http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm>
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> Gene Maurice wrote:
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>
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> Phil,
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>
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>
>
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> You CAN add / maintain your own
>
>
>
> schedules. "System Maintenance"
>
>
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> tab, "Schedules" button.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Gene Maurice
>
>
>
> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>
>
>
> Dallas, GA
>
>
>
> AMA 3408
>
>
>
> NSRCA 877
>
>
>
> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>
>
>
>
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> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>
>
> [mailto:nsrca-
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>
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> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
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> On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
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>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>
> To: General pattern discussion
>
> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
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>
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>
>
> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>
>
>
> The SPA schedule will remain the same for
>
>
>
> 2010. We will probably
>
>
>
> change it for 2011-2012. If we do, I'll
>
>
>
> send the new patterns to
>
>
>
> you. How 'bout just making an app to let
>
>
>
> us update the schedules
>
>
>
> ourselves. Would that be too much work
>
>
>
> for you, or would it
>
>
>
> reduce your work every couple of years?
>
>
>
> We sure do appreciate the work you do on
>
>
>
> PACSS!!! I believe it is
>
>
>
> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
>
>
>
> the Southeast...
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>
>
> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
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> All PACSS Users,
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> I am in the process of making a number
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>
>
> modifications to PACSS. One
>
>
>
> of the changes is to make the use of
>
>
>
> "foreign", other than AMA /
>
>
>
> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
>
>
>
> this I need to know
>
>
>
> what are the Organizations and associated
>
>
>
> schedules that are being
>
>
>
> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
>
>
>
> schedules from last year
>
>
>
> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
>
>
>
> updated schedules
>
>
>
> from those two organizations would be
>
>
>
> helpful.
>
>
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> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>
>
>
>
>
> Gene Maurice
>
> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>
> Dallas, GA
>
> AMA 3408
>
> NSRCA 877
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> PACSS.sgmservice.com
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> --> There are only two types of aircraft --
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