[NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

Fri Feb 26 11:36:37 AKST 2010

Bob, if it's electric, just move the batteries back to mid stab  position.  
That should be about right.  If 'it glo, a slight  modification might be 
needed to make it a mid fuselage prop design similar to  some of the F3P 4D 
planes.  Should be pretty spectacular.  

Don Atwood
Team Acme LG
Team Placerville

In a message dated 2/26/2010 12:22:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
getterflash at yahoo.com writes:

I  followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the cabosil 
and  let it cure before I read the part about the wax paper.  How much tail  
weight will I need to balance the angle  plate?

Disclaimer:  This is intended as a  humorous reply only. No actual angle 
plates or Integral Fuselages were  harmed.

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com

--- On Fri,  2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From:  Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> To: "'General pattern  discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday,  February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
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> I added 1/32” to the face  of
> the nose ring on the fuse on the
> left side which increased  the angle by 1/32”. If you do
> the math, it equates to
> adding  about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
> was to block the  fuse
> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
>  stab which I used as
> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty  square of
> 1/32” balsa to the
> left side of the nose ring on the  face near the outer edge.
> Then I applied a
> very thick, pasty  mixture of cabosil and resin to the
> entire face of the nose
>  ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
> wiped off  the
> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
>  between the angle
> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5  positive
> and the angle plate
> was 90 degrees to the table, the  end result was that my
> nose ring now has .5
> down thrust when  the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
> square of 1/32 balsa
>  canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
> sounds very  heavy, but
> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need  to
> think about this
> for a second, but if your down thrust is  at 0 when the fuse
> is at .5 positive,
> then the down thrust  will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
> 0. 
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> Verne 
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> From:
>  nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of  Vicente
> "Vince" Bortone
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> Sent: Friday, February 26,  2010 9:30 AM
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> To: General pattern discussion
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>  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
> gear 
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> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
> thrust",  means to add
> to the one is already set at the nose ring? 
>  Is 1/32" is at the
> tip of the prop? 
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> Thanks,
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> Vicente "Vince"  Bortone
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> ----- Original Message  -----
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> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
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> To: "General pattern discussion"
>  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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> Sent: Friday,  February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada Central
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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> John,
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> With the stab at 0, make the  wing .5 positive, reduce the
> down thrust to .5
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> down,  and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
> finishing my third one  and
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> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
>  duplicating it. Actually, the
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> first one flew great but needed  some mixing. With the
> settings I just gave
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> you, it'll  track straight forever on either knife edge
> with no mix. The
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> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
>  the top of tall
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> verticals. I left the stab at the factory  position and
> called that 0. Your
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> wing will actually  be slightly negative to that so
> you'll need to increase
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> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
>  degrees down so
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> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that.  Can't
> help on the gear, I used
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> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW,  set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
> or just a little
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> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
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> Verne Koester
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> From:  nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
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>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of John  Gayer
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> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
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> To: NSRCA Mailing List
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> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Integral Landing gear
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> The  landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
> ounces and are  
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> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed  the
> weights of the 
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> components on RC Universe that  the gear legs were listed at
> 3.2 ounces 
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> which is a  substantial difference.
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> This will be powered by a YS 170. I  haven't checked yet
> but I intend to 
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> add adjusters if  necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
> degrees and 
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> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
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>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve
> before I get  any 
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> further along.
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> 1. Is  there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
> particular more  
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> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8
>  inches.
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> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the  approximately
> 2 degrees 
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> built into the nose ring to  about 0.5 degrees down or ?
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> 3. Should the sidethrust be  reduced?
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> Would appreciate help from those  of you who have already
> run into these 
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> problems and  found solutions that are working for you.
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>  Thanks
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