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<DIV>Bob, if it's electric, just move the batteries back to mid stab
position. That should be about right. If 'it glo, a slight
modification might be needed to make it a mid fuselage prop design similar to
some of the F3P 4D planes. Should be pretty spectacular. <IMG src="http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/0201d20638/08"></DIV>
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<DIV>Don Atwood</DIV>
<DIV>Team Acme LG</DIV>
<DIV>Team Placerville</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 2/26/2010 12:22:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
getterflash@yahoo.com writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>I
followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the cabosil and
let it cure before I read the part about the wax paper. How much tail
weight will I need to balance the angle
plate?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Disclaimer: This is intended as a
humorous reply only. No actual angle plates or Integral Fuselages were
harmed.<BR><BR><BR>Bob Kane<BR>getterflash@yahoo.com<BR><BR><BR>--- On Fri,
2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne@twmi.rr.com> wrote:<BR><BR>> From:
Verne Koester <verne@twmi.rr.com><BR>> Subject: Re:
[NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear<BR>> To: "'General pattern
discussion'" <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> Date: Friday,
February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I added 1/32” to the face
of<BR>> the nose ring on the fuse on the<BR>> left side which increased
the angle by 1/32”. If you do<BR>> the math, it equates to<BR>> adding
about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it<BR>> was to block the
fuse<BR>> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the<BR>>
stab which I used as<BR>> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty
square of<BR>> 1/32” balsa to the<BR>> left side of the nose ring on the
face near the outer edge.<BR>> Then I applied a<BR>> very thick, pasty
mixture of cabosil and resin to the<BR>> entire face of the nose<BR>>
ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I<BR>> wiped off
the<BR>> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film<BR>>
between the angle<BR>> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5
positive<BR>> and the angle plate<BR>> was 90 degrees to the table, the
end result was that my<BR>> nose ring now has .5<BR>> down thrust when
the fuse is sitting at 0. The little<BR>> square of 1/32 balsa<BR>>
canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all<BR>> sounds very
heavy, but<BR>> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need
to<BR>> think about this<BR>> for a second, but if your down thrust is
at 0 when the fuse<BR>> is at .5 positive,<BR>> then the down thrust
will be at -.5 when the fuse is at<BR>> 0. <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Verne <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> From:<BR>>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On<BR>> Behalf Of
Vicente<BR>> "Vince" Bortone<BR>> <BR>> Sent: Friday, February 26,
2010 9:30 AM<BR>> <BR>> To: General pattern discussion<BR>> <BR>>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing<BR>> gear <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Verne, <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Just<BR>> curiosity. When you said "add 1/32 right<BR>> thrust",
means to add<BR>> to the one is already set at the nose ring? <BR>>
Is 1/32" is at the<BR>> tip of the prop? <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Thanks,<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Vicente "Vince"
Bortone<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> <BR>> From: "Verne Koester" <verne@twmi.rr.com><BR>>
<BR>> To: "General pattern discussion"<BR>>
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><BR>> <BR>> Sent: Friday,
February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00<BR>> US/Canada Central<BR>>
<BR>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> John,<BR>> <BR>> With the stab at 0, make the
wing .5 positive, reduce the<BR>> down thrust to .5<BR>> <BR>> down,
and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently<BR>> finishing my third one
and<BR>> <BR>> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just<BR>>
duplicating it. Actually, the<BR>> <BR>> first one flew great but needed
some mixing. With the<BR>> settings I just gave<BR>> <BR>> you, it'll
track straight forever on either knife edge<BR>> with no mix. The<BR>>
<BR>> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at<BR>>
the top of tall<BR>> <BR>> verticals. I left the stab at the factory
position and<BR>> called that 0. Your<BR>> <BR>> wing will actually
be slightly negative to that so<BR>> you'll need to increase<BR>>
<BR>> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2<BR>>
degrees down so<BR>> <BR>> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that.
Can't<BR>> help on the gear, I used<BR>> <BR>> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW,
set the CG at the LE of the wing tube<BR>> or just a little<BR>>
<BR>> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> Verne Koester<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>> <BR>> From:
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org<BR>> <BR>>
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf<BR>> Of John
Gayer<BR>> <BR>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM<BR>>
<BR>> To: NSRCA Mailing List<BR>> <BR>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
Integral Landing gear<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> The
landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6<BR>> ounces and are
<BR>> <BR>> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed
the<BR>> weights of the <BR>> <BR>> components on RC Universe that
the gear legs were listed at<BR>> 3.2 ounces <BR>> <BR>> which is a
substantial difference.<BR>> <BR>> This will be powered by a YS 170. I
haven't checked yet<BR>> but I intend to <BR>> <BR>> add adjusters if
necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0<BR>> degrees and <BR>>
<BR>> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
I have three questions that I would like to resolve<BR>> before I get
any <BR>> <BR>> further along.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 1. Is
there a replacement gear that is lighter and in<BR>> particular more
<BR>> <BR>> flexible? Height of the gear should be about 8<BR>>
inches.<BR>> <BR>> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the
approximately<BR>> 2 degrees <BR>> <BR>> built into the nose ring to
about 0.5 degrees down or ?<BR>> <BR>> 3. Should the sidethrust be
reduced?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Would appreciate help from those
of you who have already<BR>> run into these <BR>> <BR>> problems and
found solutions that are working for you.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
Thanks<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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