[NSRCA-discussion] unknowns

Wed Sep 23 11:23:26 AKDT 2009

OK, we will push the ratio to the limit!

Ron VP

On Sep 23, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Tony wrote:

> Ron:
> The only problem with that is that there is actually a ratio that  
> has to be
> met.  The ratio is based on the countries that attend.  So, if  
> predominately
> European countries attend, the judges must be predominately European.
>
> Isn't the FAI a wonderful organization?  Kind of reminds you of the UN
> doesn't it?
>
> Anybody out there ready to organize a NEW international body for Aero
> modeling???
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron  
> Van Putte
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:08 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>
> I kinda wish that people like Mark didn't read my stuff quite so
> carefully.  I also wonder why he isn't at work.  Hmmmm, maybe he is.
> I'll never tell.
>
> 2111?  I'll only be 176 years old.
>
> Ron VP
>
> On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> Only Ron...who was actually around in 1911, would plan to still be
>> around in 2111 :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:57 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>>
>> I smile every time I think about this:  The F3A World Championships
>> host gets a list of potential judges from which to pick.  The total
>> list is  predominantly European judges.  Most F3A WCs end up with
>> predominantly European judges. The preponderance of European judges
>> dictates how judging will be done.   However, what if the list of
>> judges for the 2111 F3A WC is mostly made up of a judge from the
>> U.S., Canada, Mexico, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, China,
>> Japan, Argentina, Venezuela, etc , such that it that it is NOT made
>> up of predominantly European judges?  Who gets to pick the judges?
>> As the host organization, the NSRCA does.
>>
>> Ron VP
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Don Ramsey wrote:
>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> You will be disappointed to know that all the World Judges want to
>>> have rolling circles.  I objected strongly and thought I made a
>>> good argument; loss of fields, over houses, too much real estate,
>>> etc.  But, they still want the rolling circles in all future
>>> patterns and especially F patterns.  It sure limits the number of
>>> fields that can fly those patterns unless the pilots decide to roll
>>> in.
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:32 AM
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that we keep "learning" the same lessons but some
>>> just never get the memo. Rolling circles are very neat
>>> differentiating maneuvers BUT not desirable in neither IMAC nor
>>> Pattern circles. They simply consume too much real estate and
>>> contradict the very essence of why we in Pattern moved to quiet our
>>> models. Noise reduction footprint was at the core of that effort
>>> some 25 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As my good friend Dean Pappas and I have discussed on many
>>> occasions, rolling loops, segments, variations, etc. are just as
>>> neat as circles and consume no more footprint than the typical
>>> schedule would. Oh BTW, these are far less difficult to judge
>>> objectively
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> MattK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> Sent: Tue, Sep 22, 2009 10:08 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>>>
>>> It's funny.  I brought my 40% Carden out of mothballs last weekend
>>> to work on the F3M stuff and all I wanted to do was fly it like a
>>> pattern airplane.  Ofcourse it doesn't quite measure up, but I
>>> found that I really have no enthusiasm left for wapping through
>>> rolls where the only skill involved is being able to stop on time.
>>> I admit, on the last flight of the day I digressed and did about 10
>>> minutes of 3d-ish garbage, until I finally realized that it was
>>> really not very satisfying.  Foamies are more fun these days than
>>> knocking the sticks around on a 40 % gasser.   I guess I'm just
>>> getting old...
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:44:06 -0700
>>>> From: seefo at san.rr.com
>>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
>>>>
>>>> Vince,
>>>>
>>>> The "Slow Roll" in IAC does not equate to a pattern slow roll.
>>> The IAC
>>>> Slow Roll is just a roll, and the term slow is used to
>>> differentiate it
>>>> from a point roll or snap roll. In truth, the IAC slow roll is  
>>>> never
>>>> flown at anything but maximum roll rate available.
>>>>
>>>> -Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, partial rolling circles are introduced in the Intermediate
>>>>> class. As we know, there is not way to do rollers by rolling fast.
>>>>> IMAC is missing to introduce the slow roll in Sportsman's
>>> class. I am
>>>>> not sure why since IAC includes the slow roll.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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