[NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question

Wed Oct 21 21:51:19 AKDT 2009

I believe we had an undergarment company that wanted to advertise in the Kfactor last year. lol

Funny that you said that. It made me laugh. 

Chris 

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From: Keith Black <tkeithblack at gmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 10:17:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question

Matt, you’re not the first one to say that, but quite frankly I don’t
understand this attitude of “I’m not going to play anymore if I don’t
get my way :-( ”. This isn’t a kindergarten playground.

Anyone who would quit because of a rules change must not love the
hobby/sport. What are you going to do? Go fly Zaggies or gliders or
maybe spend your time fishing? Man, that'll beat the heck out of
having to comply with that new pattern rule.

Sorry to be harsh, but please!  The way I look at it is I REALLY love
pattern and I’m sticking with it no matter what changes until I tire
of it or find something I enjoy more. I’ll try and influence the rules
when I believe it’s constructive but once the debate is over it’s time
to fly!  Everyone has to play by the same rules. Just give me the
sequence and tell me when I'm up. Big plane, little plane, electric,
glow…  hell, I’ll even wear the special pattern approved underwear if
necessary as long as it’s a level playing field. ;-)

Hopefully no hard feelings Matt.

Keith Black

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick at cox.net> wrote:
> I've been out of town, so I'm just now seeing this discussion. I can
> honsetly say right now I will stop flying pattern once I'm done with
> Advanced if this rule goes through.
>
> Matt
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
>
>
>> Couldnt agree more...
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
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>> Mark, regardless of whether we make any of the classes harder, I don't
>> think
>> equipment should factor into what maneuvers should be flown in each class.
>> About 5 years ago, I was forced to move up from sportsman because I beat 4
>> other pilots, 2 were flying trainers and one was flying a sport plane.  It
>> was my second contest and I was flying a 60 Kaos.  I know we fixed this
>> issue but it illustrates that this sport does require some level of
>> investment in equipment (programmable radio and an aerobatic capable
>> plane).
>>
>> I understand where Duane is coming from.  After 4 years in intermediate I
>> still get the pucker factor when flying from time to time especially in
>> the
>> wind.  The first consideration when designing schedules is safety.  I
>> wouldn't want a sportsman or intermediate pilot loosing his plane due to
>> brain overload.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood,
>> Mark
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:32 PM
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
>>
>> You raise another interesting point regarding moving 4pts and slow rolls
>> down a level and that's the demand on equipment.   Currently, knife edge
>> trim, while nice, is not essential for the intermediate pattern.  Changing
>> that also changes the level of equipment, radios especially, required for
>> that sequence.  Currently my son competes with a Kaos 40 (single aileron
>> servo so no differential) on a basic radio. He has no mixes on the plane,
>> nor does he really need any.
>>
>> -M
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>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Tue Oct 20 20:45:18 2009
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
>>
>> The two-point in Sportsman was intimidating enough until I started
>> following
>> the trimming chart and moved my CG back so it doesn't drop nearly as much.
>> Now, if only I had adjustable wing incidence to fix the pull to belly in
>> knife edge.  I'll try some 2/4 and see if I can work up to 4/4 without
>> unduly risking my airplane.
>>
>> Duane
>>
>>> From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear from the Sportsman. Do you want a 4 point in
>>> Intermediate, or is Intermediate intimidating enough? Consider going
>>> from a partial turnaround sequence to a full turnaround sequence? How
>>> about in a 20 mph blow in crosswind? Are you ready to trim your plane
>>> for knife edge flight?
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