<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">I believe we had an undergarment company that wanted to advertise in the Kfactor last year. lol<br><br>Funny that you said that. It made me laugh. <br><br><div> </div><div><strong><em><font color="#0000bf" face="comic sans ms" size="3">Chris </font></em></strong></div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Keith Black <tkeithblack@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, October 21, 2009 10:17:58 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br></font><br>
Matt, you’re not the first one to say that, but quite frankly I don’t<br>understand this attitude of “I’m not going to play anymore if I don’t<br>get my way :-( ”. This isn’t a kindergarten playground.<br><br>Anyone who would quit because of a rules change must not love the<br>hobby/sport. What are you going to do? Go fly Zaggies or gliders or<br>maybe spend your time fishing? Man, that'll beat the heck out of<br>having to comply with that new pattern rule.<br><br>Sorry to be harsh, but please! The way I look at it is I REALLY love<br>pattern and I’m sticking with it no matter what changes until I tire<br>of it or find something I enjoy more. I’ll try and influence the rules<br>when I believe it’s constructive but once the debate is over it’s time<br>to fly! Everyone has to play by the same rules. Just give me the<br>sequence and tell me when I'm up. Big plane, little plane, electric,<br>glow… hell, I’ll even
wear the special pattern approved underwear if<br>necessary as long as it’s a level playing field. ;-)<br><br>Hopefully no hard feelings Matt.<br><br>Keith Black<br><br><br>On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Matthew Frederick <<a ymailto="mailto:mjfrederick@cox.net" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">mjfrederick@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br>> I've been out of town, so I'm just now seeing this discussion. I can<br>> honsetly say right now I will stop flying pattern once I'm done with<br>> Advanced if this rule goes through.<br>><br>> Matt<br>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Atwood, Mark" <<a ymailto="mailto:atwoodm@paragon-inc.com" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">atwoodm@paragon-inc.com</a>><br>> To: <<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:17 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6
question<br>><br>><br>>> Couldnt agree more...<br>>> --------------------------<br>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld<br>>><br>>><br>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> <<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>> Sent: Wed Oct 21 19:08:22 2009<br>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>>><br>>> Mark, regardless of whether we make any of the classes harder, I don't<br>>> think<br>>> equipment should factor into what maneuvers
should be flown in each class.<br>>> About 5 years ago, I was forced to move up from sportsman because I beat 4<br>>> other pilots, 2 were flying trainers and one was flying a sport plane. It<br>>> was my second contest and I was flying a 60 Kaos. I know we fixed this<br>>> issue but it illustrates that this sport does require some level of<br>>> investment in equipment (programmable radio and an aerobatic capable<br>>> plane).<br>>><br>>> I understand where Duane is coming from. After 4 years in intermediate I<br>>> still get the pucker factor when flying from time to time especially in<br>>> the<br>>> wind. The first consideration when designing schedules is safety. I<br>>> wouldn't want a sportsman or intermediate pilot loosing his plane due to<br>>> brain overload.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> -----Original
Message-----<br>>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of Atwood,<br>>> Mark<br>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:32 PM<br>>> To: '<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>'<br>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>>><br>>> You raise another interesting point regarding moving 4pts and slow rolls<br>>> down a level and that's the demand on equipment. Currently, knife edge<br>>> trim, while nice, is not essential for the intermediate pattern. Changing<br>>> that also changes the level of equipment, radios especially,
required for<br>>> that sequence. Currently my son competes with a Kaos 40 (single aileron<br>>> servo so no differential) on a basic radio. He has no mixes on the plane,<br>>> nor does he really need any.<br>>><br>>> -M<br>>> --------------------------<br>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld<br>>><br>>><br>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><br>>> <<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>> To: General pattern discussion <<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>> Sent: Tue Oct 20 20:45:18 2009<br>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Rules proposal 11-6 question<br>>><br>>> The two-point in Sportsman was intimidating enough until I started<br>>> following<br>>> the trimming chart and moved my CG back so it doesn't drop nearly as much.<br>>> Now, if only I had adjustable wing incidence to fix the pull to belly in<br>>> knife edge. I'll try some 2/4 and see if I can work up to 4/4 without<br>>> unduly risking my airplane.<br>>><br>>> Duane<br>>><br>>>> From: "Dave" <<a ymailto="mailto:DaveL322@comcast.net" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">DaveL322@comcast.net</a>><br>>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <<a ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:57:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules proposal 11-6
question<br>>>><br>>>> I'd like to hear from the Sportsman. Do you want a 4 point in<br>>>> Intermediate, or is Intermediate intimidating enough? Consider going<br>>>> from a partial turnaround sequence to a full turnaround sequence? How<br>>>> about in a 20 mph blow in crosswind? Are you ready to trim your plane<br>>>> for knife edge flight?<br>>><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto%3A%25e%25">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><span>>> <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a></span><br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>>> <a
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