[NSRCA-discussion] Not bama now

Wed Nov 25 16:29:30 AKST 2009

I can tell you why I dropped out of the SPA:  The nostalgia was gone  
once 0.91 4-strokes were permitted and the allowable 0.60 2-strokes  
couldn't compete.

I feel qualified to comment on the SPA rules, since I was an SPA  
member, one of its strongest supporters ((go look at the SPA web site  
and see who wrote the Model Aviation report on the first SPA contest)  
and i was "driven out" of SPA by the motor rule change.

BTW, go look at the currently acceptable Daddy Rabbit airplanes; I  
saw one at the Orlando contest last December and almost didn't  
recognize it.  That must be the "duck" rule alluded to by Scott.

Ron

On Nov 25, 2009, at 7:52 PM, Phil Spelt wrote:

> CONGRATULATIONS, Jason!!!  You are almost the only one (the ONLY  
> non-SPAer) who has done more then bit..., uh, compl..., er,  
> commented on our rules.  I will email you privately about your  
> suggestions.
>
> I don't understand why non-SPA people spend so much time worrying  
> about our rules and regulation.  Can someone explain, please?
>
> EVERYONE (yes, even non-SPAers :-D) have a Happy Thanksgiving.  Eat  
> lost of turkey, absorb lots of tryptophan, and fall asleep in front  
> of the TV...
>
> At 05:44 PM 11/25/2009, you wrote:
>> Ok... been thinking about this and I sound just like how I hate  
>> others to sound. Complain without suggesting a fix. Here goes.
>>
>> Plane and motor, not my choice. I'm not an SPA member, don't plan  
>> on joining, but hope to participate in more events. I still think  
>> the motor issue will become a bigger issue now that the OS-91  
>> isn't made anymore... but just my opinion. Honestly, those blue- 
>> printed 91's are no different power wise than YS-91's, IMO. And as  
>> I said below, I like the planes I remember when I was growing up,  
>> so I will choose something similar.
>>
>> Would a 10% rule be worth looking into for SPA? IMAC has it and  
>> you can still tweak and change things around enough. Also, why was  
>> the Miss Norway deleted from the list? I like that plane.
>>
>> As for competing in Novice only if you're not a member. Seeing as  
>> most of the people that might participate would most likely be  
>> pattern pilots (new or old), some will skill levels more than  
>> Novice level, what about this for non-SPA members...
>>
>> Novice: Can fly an SPA legal (don't remember the Novice allowance  
>> rules for plane allowed) set-up, and CAN place and receive a  
>> trophy/plaque... once. This will give them a taste for it in FULL  
>> competition.
>>
>> Sportsman: Same as Novice, no trophy/plaque, but a certificate as  
>> the SPA rules state.
>>
>> Expert: Same as Novice, but scores are handed back to you after  
>> your flight, no awards or *certificate. I don't need a certificate  
>> to remind me of the fun I have, I have the memories. * Maybe  
>> certificate, but don't think that matters. BTW, I sent my plaque  
>> to the highest placing SPA member from the Masters after being  
>> made aware of the rules.
>>
>> I hope that SPA will allow non-SPA members to fly all classes. Ron  
>> Ellis and club are holding an SPA event in Melbourne in February I  
>> would like to go to and compete. But only as an Expert, not a Novice.
>>
>> http://www.seniorpattern.com/compguide.htm
>>
>>
>> And Happy Thanksgiving to all of you (celebrating it). I'm outta  
>> here for a few days, so have fun ;)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: J Shu
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound
>>
>> I have no problem with what others fly if it's in the rules, even  
>> if it's a 4-cycle. If I ever do an SPA plane it will have a 61 (or  
>> 55) AND look like the original, my choice. But there are a few  
>> things that I do think are an issue.
>>
>> The rules state that you can fly Novice and not be a member, all  
>> other classes you must. So now if I want to go fly again at an SPA  
>> contest, I will have to fly Novice. I'm not sure many of the  
>> Novice pilots will like that. And had I know about this rule  
>> before the end of the contest in GA, I would have only been Ryan's  
>> PB and helped out where ever needed.
>>
>> Some of the ducks just look like geese.
>>
>> Some of the 91's that are flying are 'blue-printed motors'. I also  
>> understand that these are not commercially available to any Joe  
>> Schmoe. Well, that seems a bit unfair to me, but again, I would  
>> only fly a 2-stroke anyway.
>>
>> But the thing I really enjoyed was the contest itself. I had a  
>> blast and nice and relaxing. It was the break I was looking for.  
>> Go 4lb Kaos'...lol
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Phil Spelt
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound
>>
>> Well, Guys,
>>
>> I was preparing a response to Ron Van Putte, but it appears this  
>> is not the venue for that.  Everyone is free to choose with whom  
>> to associate, and while we in SPA are sorry to have lost the  
>> people who have chosen not to fly with us, that was/is their  
>> choice.  If you check with Jason Shulman, you might find a  
>> different perspective.
>>
>> I won't go into the many discussions I have had with fellow SPAers  
>> about the direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the NSRCA --  
>> but they are frequent, and those of us having them choose not to  
>> fly AMA pattern - but we don't publicly criticize it, either.  I  
>> judged several rounds at an AMA meet last season, and while I  
>> really like the turn around part, the judging reinforced my  
>> decision to fly SPA, only.
>>
>> BTW, if anyone is interested in some 2-meter stuff (engines and  
>> airframes) you can email me privately...it would be great stuff @  
>> a reasonable price for entry into 2-meter pattern, and up through  
>> Advanced.
>>
>> At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:
>>> That’s the reason I quite SPA also… 4-cycles!!  There is not much  
>>> challenge flying the old pattern with a overpowered (90 4c)  
>>> engine.  That was what made it hard!  The scavenge-pot 60’s  
>>> didn’t really have enough power, so you had to FLY the airplane….  
>>> If they are allowing 90 4c engines, why not allow ANY power plant!
>>>
>>> Tony Stillman, President
>>> Radio South, Inc.
>>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>> Brunswick, GA  31525
>>> 1-800-962-7802
>>> www.radiosouthrc.com
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [ mailto:nsrca- 
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:20 AM
>>> To: jpavlick at idseng.com; General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound
>>>
>>> I'm with you John. When I was into racing anything vintage had to  
>>> be....well...vintage.
>>
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