[NSRCA-discussion] Not bama now

Phil Spelt chuenkan at comcast.net
Wed Nov 25 15:41:24 AKST 2009 

NONE of which is formalized, I might add...

At 05:55 PM 11/25/2009, you wrote:
>Jas,
>
>There was a 3% rule at one time , then they went to the duck rule..
>
>scott
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:jshulman at cfl.rr.com>J Shu
>To: <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>General pattern discussion
>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Not bama now
>
>Ok... been thinking about this and I sound just 
>like how I hate others to sound. Complain without suggesting a fix. Here goes.
>
>Plane and motor, not my choice. I'm not an SPA 
>member, don't plan on joining, but hope to 
>participate in more events. I still think the 
>motor issue will become a bigger issue now that 
>the OS-91 isn't made anymore... but just my 
>opinion. Honestly, those blue-printed 91's are 
>no different power wise than YS-91's, IMO. And 
>as I said below, I like the planes I remember 
>when I was growing up, so I will choose something similar.
>
>Would a 10% rule be worth looking into for SPA? 
>IMAC has it and you can still tweak and change 
>things around enough. Also, why was the Miss 
>Norway deleted from the list? I like that plane.
>
>As for competing in Novice only if you're not a 
>member. Seeing as most of the people that might 
>participate would most likely be pattern pilots 
>(new or old), some will skill levels more than 
>Novice level, what about this for non-SPA members...
>
>Novice: Can fly an SPA legal (don't remember the 
>Novice allowance rules for plane allowed) 
>set-up, and CAN place and receive a 
>trophy/plaque... once. This will give them a taste for it in FULL competition.
>
>Sportsman: Same as Novice, no trophy/plaque, but 
>a certificate as the SPA rules state.
>
>Expert: Same as Novice, but scores are handed 
>back to you after your flight, no awards or 
>*certificate. I don't need a certificate to 
>remind me of the fun I have, I have the 
>memories. * Maybe certificate, but don't think 
>that matters. BTW, I sent my plaque to the 
>highest placing SPA member from the Masters 
>after being made aware of the rules.
>
>I hope that SPA will allow non-SPA members to 
>fly all classes. Ron Ellis and club are holding 
>an SPA event in Melbourne in February I would 
>like to go to and compete. But only as an Expert, not a Novice.
>
><http://www.seniorpattern.com/compguide.htm>http://www.seniorpattern.com/compguide.htm
>
>
>And Happy Thanksgiving to all of you 
>(celebrating it). I'm outta here for a few days, so have fun ;)
>
>
>Regards,
>Jason
><http://www.shulmanaviation.com>www.shulmanaviation.com
>www.composite-arf.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:jshulman at cfl.rr.com>J Shu
>To: <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>General pattern discussion
>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound
>
>I have no problem with what others fly if it's 
>in the rules, even if it's a 4-cycle. If I ever 
>do an SPA plane it will have a 61 (or 55) AND 
>look like the original, my choice. But there are 
>a few things that I do think are an issue.
>
>The rules state that you can fly Novice and not 
>be a member, all other classes you must. So now 
>if I want to go fly again at an SPA contest, I 
>will have to fly Novice. I'm not sure many of 
>the Novice pilots will like that. And had I know 
>about this rule before the end of the contest in 
>GA, I would have only been Ryan's PB and helped out where ever needed.
>
>Some of the ducks just look like geese.
>
>Some of the 91's that are flying are 
>'blue-printed motors'. I also understand that 
>these are not commercially available to any Joe 
>Schmoe. Well, that seems a bit unfair to me, but 
>again, I would only fly a 2-stroke anyway.
>
>But the thing I really enjoyed was the contest 
>itself. I had a blast and nice and relaxing. It 
>was the break I was looking for. Go 4lb Kaos'...lol
>
>Regards,
>Jason
><http://www.shulmanaviation.com>www.shulmanaviation.com
>www.composite-arf.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:chuenkan at comcast.net>Phil Spelt
>To: <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>General pattern discussion
>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:36 AM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound
>
>Well, Guys,
>
>I was preparing a response to Ron Van Putte, but 
>it appears this is not the venue for 
>that.  Everyone is free to choose with whom to 
>associate, and while we in SPA are sorry to have 
>lost the people who have chosen not to fly with 
>us, that was/is their choice.  If you check with 
>Jason Shulman, you might find a different perspective.
>
>I won't go into the many discussions I have had 
>with fellow SPAers about the direction of AMA 
>pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but they 
>are frequent, and those of us having them choose 
>not to fly AMA pattern - but we don't publicly 
>criticize it, either.  I judged several rounds 
>at an AMA meet last season, and while I really 
>like the turn around part, the judging reinforced my decision to fly SPA, only.
>
>BTW, if anyone is interested in some 2-meter 
>stuff (engines and airframes) you can email me 
>privately...it would be great stuff @ a 
>reasonable price for entry into 2-meter pattern, and up through Advanced.
>
>At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:
>>That’s the reason I quite SPA also
 
>>4-cycles!!  There is not much challenge flying 
>>the old pattern with a overpowered (90 4c) 
>>engine.  That was what made it hard!  The 
>>scavenge-pot 60’s didn’t really have enough 
>>power, so you had to FLY the airplane
. If they 
>>are allowing 90 4c engines, why not allow ANY power plant!
>>
>>Tony Stillman, President
>>Radio South, Inc.
>>139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>Brunswick, GA  31525
>>1-800-962-7802
>>www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>>----------
>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>[ mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:20 AM
>>To: jpavlick at idseng.com; General pattern discussion
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound
>>
>>I'm with you John. When I was into racing 
>>anything vintage had to be....well...vintage.
>
>
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