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<font size=3>NONE of which is formalized, I might add...<br><br>
At 05:55 PM 11/25/2009, you wrote:<br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Jas,<br>
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</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>There was a 3% rule at one
time , then they went to the duck rule.. <br>
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</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>scott<br>
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<dd><font size=3>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<dd>From:</b> <a href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">J Shu</a> <br>
<dd>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General
pattern discussion</a> <br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:44 PM<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Not bama now<br><br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">Ok... been
thinking about this and I sound just like how I hate others to sound.
Complain without suggesting a fix. Here goes.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">Plane and motor,
not my choice. I'm not an SPA member, don't plan on joining, but hope to
participate in more events. I still think the motor issue will become a
bigger issue now that the OS-91 isn't made anymore... but just my
opinion. Honestly, those blue-printed 91's are no different power wise
than YS-91's, IMO. And as I said below, I like the planes I remember when
I was growing up, so I will choose something similar.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">Would a 10% rule
be worth looking into for SPA? IMAC has it and you can still tweak and
change things around enough. Also, why was the Miss Norway deleted from
the list? I like that plane.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">As for competing
in Novice only if you're not a member. Seeing as most of the people that
might participate would most likely be pattern pilots (new or old), some
will skill levels more than Novice level, what about this for non-SPA
members...<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">Novice: Can fly
an SPA legal (don't remember the Novice allowance rules for plane
allowed) set-up, and CAN place and receive a trophy/plaque... once. This
will give them a taste for it in FULL competition.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">Sportsman: Same
as Novice, no trophy/plaque, but a certificate as the SPA rules
state.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">Expert: Same as
Novice, but scores are handed back to you after your flight, no awards or
*certificate. I don't need a certificate to remind me of the fun I have,
I have the memories. * Maybe certificate, but don't think that matters.
BTW, I sent my plaque to the highest placing SPA member from the Masters
after being made aware of the rules.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">I hope that SPA
will allow non-SPA members to fly all classes. Ron Ellis and club are
holding an SPA event in Melbourne in February I would like to go to and
compete. But only as an Expert, not a Novice.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">
<a href="http://www.seniorpattern.com/compguide.htm">
http://www.seniorpattern.com/compguide.htm</a><br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">And Happy
Thanksgiving to all of you (celebrating it). I'm outta here for a few
days, so have fun ;)<br>
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<dd> <br><br>
<dd>Regards,<br>
<dd>Jason<br>
<dd><a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a>
<br>
<dd><a href="http://www.composite-arf.com/" eudora="autourl">
www.composite-arf.com</a><br>
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<dd>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<dd>From:</b> <a href="mailto:jshulman@cfl.rr.com">J Shu</a> <br>
<dd>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General
pattern discussion</a> <br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:08 PM<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<br><br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">I have no
problem with what others fly if it's in the rules, even if it's a
4-cycle. If I ever do an SPA plane it will have a 61 (or 55) AND look
like the original, my choice. But there are a few things that I do think
are an issue.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">The rules state
that you can fly Novice and not be a member, all other classes you must.
So now if I want to go fly again at an SPA contest, I will have to fly
Novice. I'm not sure many of the Novice pilots will like that. And had I
know about this rule before the end of the contest in GA, I would have
only been Ryan's PB and helped out where ever needed.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">Some of the
ducks just look like geese.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">Some of the 91's
that are flying are 'blue-printed motors'. I also understand that these
are not commercially available to any Joe Schmoe. Well, that seems a bit
unfair to me, but again, I would only fly a 2-stroke anyway.<br>
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<dd> <br>
<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#000080">But the thing I
really enjoyed was the contest itself. I had a blast and nice and
relaxing. It was the break I was looking for. Go 4lb Kaos'...lol<br>
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<dd>Regards,<br>
<dd>Jason<br>
<dd><a href="http://www.shulmanaviation.com">www.shulmanaviation.com</a>
<br>
<dd><a href="http://www.composite-arf.com/" eudora="autourl">
www.composite-arf.com</a><br>
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<dd>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<dd>From:</b> <a href="mailto:chuenkan@comcast.net">Phil Spelt</a> <br>
<dd>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General
pattern discussion</a> <br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:36 AM<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<br><br>
<dd>Well, Guys,<br><br>
<dd>I was preparing a response to Ron Van Putte, but it appears this is
not the venue for that. Everyone is free to choose with whom to
associate, and while we in SPA are sorry to have lost the people who have
chosen not to fly with us, that was/is their choice. If you check
with Jason Shulman, you might find a different perspective.<br><br>
<dd>I won't go into the many discussions I have had with fellow SPAers
about the direction of AMA pattern, as directed by the NSRCA -- but they
are frequent, and those of us having them choose not to fly AMA pattern -
but we don't publicly criticize it, either. I judged several rounds
at an AMA meet last season, and while I really like the turn around part,
the judging reinforced my decision to fly SPA, only.<br><br>
<dd>BTW, if anyone is interested in some 2-meter stuff (engines and
airframes) you can email me privately...it would be great stuff @ a
reasonable price for entry into 2-meter pattern, and up through
Advanced.<br><br>
<dd>At 10:23 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:<br>
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<dd><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">That’s the
reason I quite SPA also… 4-cycles!! There is not much challenge
flying the old pattern with a overpowered (90 4c) engine. That was
what made it hard! The scavenge-pot 60’s didn’t really have enough
power, so you had to FLY the airplane…. If they are allowing 90 4c
engines, why not allow ANY power plant!<br>
<dd> <br>
<dd>Tony Stillman, President<br>
<dd>Radio South, Inc.<br>
<dd>139 Altama Connector, Box 322<br>
<dd>Brunswick, GA 31525<br>
<dd>1-800-962-7802<br>
<dd><a href="http://www.radiosouthrc.com/" eudora="autourl">
www.radiosouthrc.com</a><br>
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<dd><font face="Tahoma" size=2>From:</b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org [
<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] On Behalf Of
</b>Pete Cosky<br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:20 AM<br>
<dd>To:</b> jpavlick@idseng.com; General pattern discussion<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabama Bound<br>
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<dd>I'm with you John. When I was into racing anything vintage had to
be....well...vintage.</font></blockquote><br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=3 color="#800000">There are only two
types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.<br><br>
</i></b></font><font size=3>Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio
Control Society, Inc.<br>
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