[NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence
mike mueller
mups1953 at yahoo.com
Wed May 6 07:55:28 AKDT 2009
Chris it's way too early in the morning for Bobby to say "Have a nice day" That comes later in the day. Man don't you know anything about Bobby yet??? Mike
--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Chris Moon <cjm767driver at hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: Chris Moon <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 10:19 AM
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> Bobby you left out "Have a nice day"<br>
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> Chris<br>
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> Robert G. Satalino wrote:
> <blockquote
> type="cite">No FAI hand me downs. Just take
> out three maneuvers,
> that's more time for other things.
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> <div>On May 5, 2009, at 11:23 AM, mike mueller
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> Mark we have plans for splitting Masters into 2 groups
> around here.
> Anything else is a disaster. Mike<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Atwood, Mark <<a
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> href="mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com">atwoodm at paragon-inc.com</a>>
> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> <blockquote type="cite">From: Atwood,
> Mark <<a rel="nofollow"
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> href="mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com">atwoodm at paragon-inc.com</a>><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Subject: RE:
> [NSRCA-discussion] Length of
> 2011 Masters Sequence<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">To:
> "General pattern discussion" <<a
> rel="nofollow"
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> href="mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org</a>>,
> "<a rel="nofollow"
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> href="mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com">mups1953 at yahoo.com</a>"
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> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Date: Tuesday,
> May 5, 2009, 10:57 AM<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Hear
> Hear!!<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">I love flying
> long sequences...hate judging
> them. There<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">needs to be a
> balance. Not just for the
> sake of the judges,<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">but also to
> accommodate the length of the
> contest. <br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">At a big D4/D5
> contest we'll usually have
> 5-6 FAI<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">pilots and 15
> or 16 masters pilots.
> Currently the masters<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">pattern is a
> MINIMUM of 10 minutes per
> pilot (maybe not in<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">the air, but
> you have to really have people
> on their toes to<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">even get 6
> flights in an hour). With 16
> masters pilots,<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">that's 2
> hours and 40 minutes of flying per
> round if<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">you're
> humpin'. Six rounds means 16 hours
> of<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">flying for JUST
> masters guys. Assuming you
> have 2 lines,<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">that means one
> of those lines is dedicated
> to Masters for<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">the entire
> contest AND assume you have 16
> hours to fly.<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">We never have
> 16 hours to fly. Rarely can
> we get people to<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">stay until 6pm
> on Sunday (9am - 6pm with a
> lunch break both<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">days) and most
> fields have the sun in the
> box either in the<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">morning or
> afternoon which shortens the
> flying day even<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">more.<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Now add to
> those woes that you only have
> 5-6 FAI guys<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">judging.
> You need 32 man hours of judging,
> so even if you<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">mix in a group
> of Advanced flyers it's a
> loooong time in<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">the
> chair.<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Bottom line,
> regardless of whether it's
> P-09 (probably<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">not a good
> choice at this point) or a home
> brewed<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">pattern...it
> needs to follow the FAI trend
> of getting a<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">little shorter.
> <br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">My
> .02<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">-----Original
> Message-----<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">From: <a
> rel="nofollow"
> target="_blank"
> href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">[<a
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> On Behalf<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Of Archie
> Stafford<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Sent: Tuesday,
> May 05, 2009 11:38 AM<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">To: <a
> rel="nofollow"
> target="_blank"
> href="mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com">mups1953 at yahoo.com</a>;
> 'General
> pattern<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote
> type="cite">discussion'<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re:
> [NSRCA-discussion] Length of
> 2011 Masters<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote
> type="cite">Sequence<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote
> type="cite">Verne,<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">This started
> when I suggested to the
> sequence committee<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">that we need
> to<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">shorten the
> masters pattern. Flying it is
> fine, but I<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">think we need
> to take<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">into account
> the guys who have to sit and
> judge it. I<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">heard several
> guys in<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">FAI judging
> this weekend about how long a
> sequence it is. <br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Which
> wouldn't be<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">near as bad
> except for the fact Masters is
> usually the<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">largest class
> at most<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">contests.
> I think we need to consider the
> length of time<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">in the
> judges<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">chair for those
> that have to judge it as
> well.<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Arch<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">-----Original
> Message-----<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">From: <a
> rel="nofollow"
> target="_blank"
> href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org</a><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">[<a
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> On Behalf<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Of mike
> mueller<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Sent: Tuesday,
> May 05, 2009 10:31 AM<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">To: General
> pattern discussion<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re:
> [NSRCA-discussion] Length of
> 2011 Masters<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote
> type="cite">Sequence<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"> The current
> pattern puts E. guys at a bit
> of a<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">disadvantage.
> It pushes my<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">setup a little
> further than I prefer. It is
> a great pattern<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">and I
> compliment<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">the designers
> for having a nice flow. Mike<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">--- On Tue,
> 5/5/09, <a rel="nofollow"
> target="_blank"
> href="mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com">verne at twmi.rr.com</a><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><<a
> rel="nofollow"
> target="_blank"
> href="mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com">verne at twmi.rr.com</a>>
> wrote:<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">From: <a
> rel="nofollow"
> target="_blank"
> href="mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com">verne at twmi.rr.com</a>
> <<a rel="nofollow"
> target="_blank"
> href="mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com">verne at twmi.rr.com</a>><br>
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> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re:
> [NSRCA-discussion] Length of
> 2011 Masters<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote
> type="cite">Sequence<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">To:
> "General pattern discussion"<br>
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> <blockquote type="cite"><<a
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> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">Date:
> Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:24 AM<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">If it sounded
> as though I were
> complaining that the<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote
> type="cite">current<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">Masters
> schedule takes too long, I
> wasn't. Just<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">commenting
> that it takes a lot longer
> than the<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">previous
> one.<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">For me, eight
> minutes from takeoff to
> landing approach<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">(my<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">timer is
> started on takeoff and is almost
> always<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote
> type="cite">beeping<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">during my
> landing). I fly at what I would
> call a<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote
> type="cite">medium<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">speed most of
> the time. <br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">I'm also
> against flying the FAI-P
> schedule.<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote
> type="cite">I'd<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">rather fly a
> home-grown variant that we
> create<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote
> type="cite">ourselves.<br>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">Verne
> Koester<br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
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> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite"><br>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">---- Stuart
> Chale <<a rel="nofollow"
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