[NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence

Tue May 5 08:25:42 AKDT 2009

 That would force a lot of guys to fly FAI. Might work! Mike

--- On Tue, 5/5/09, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:

> From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 11:23 AM
> One other note on Contest management.  Master's guys
> don't always like it... but we've had some success
> when we get too many (12 or more) to run a 4 round contest
> with a 2 round finals taking only half the group to the
> finals.  It means some people don't get to fly the last
> two round, but it means the rest of the classes have time
> for all 6.  Not the best solution...I'd prefer a shorter
> schedule, but for total air time, it seems to fairest to all
> participants.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of Dave Burton
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:08 PM
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> Sequence
> 
> Mark nailed it IMO! We have to consider contest management
> and judging
> requirements when designing schedules in addition to what
> pilots may want.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of Atwood, Mark
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:58 AM
> To: General pattern discussion; mups1953 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> Sequence
> 
> Hear Hear!!
> 
> I love flying long sequences...hate judging them.  There
> needs to be a
> balance.  Not just for the sake of the judges, but also to
> accommodate the
> length of the contest.  
> 
> At a big D4/D5 contest we'll usually have 5-6 FAI
> pilots and 15 or 16
> masters pilots.  Currently the masters pattern is a MINIMUM
> of 10 minutes
> per pilot (maybe not in the air, but you have to really
> have people on their
> toes to even get 6 flights in an hour).  With 16 masters
> pilots, that's 2
> hours and 40 minutes of flying per round if you're
> humpin'.   Six rounds
> means 16 hours of flying for JUST masters guys.  Assuming
> you have 2 lines,
> that means one of those lines is dedicated to Masters for
> the entire contest
> AND assume you have 16 hours to fly.
> 
> We never have 16 hours to fly.  Rarely can we get people to
> stay until 6pm
> on Sunday (9am - 6pm with a lunch break both days) and most
> fields have the
> sun in the box either in the morning or afternoon which
> shortens the flying
> day even more.
> 
> Now add to those woes that you only have 5-6 FAI guys
> judging.  You need 32
> man hours of judging, so even if you mix in a group of
> Advanced flyers it's
> a loooong time in the chair.
> 
> Bottom line, regardless of whether it's P-09 (probably
> not a good choice at
> this point) or a home brewed pattern...it needs to follow
> the FAI trend of
> getting a little shorter.  
> 
> My .02
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of Archie
> Stafford
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:38 AM
> To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; 'General pattern
> discussion'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> Sequence
> 
> Verne,
> 
> This started when I suggested to the sequence committee
> that we need to
> shorten the masters pattern.  Flying it is fine, but I
> think we need to take
> into account the guys who have to sit and judge it.  I
> heard several guys in
> FAI judging this weekend about how long a sequence it is. 
> Which wouldn't be
> near as bad except for the fact Masters is usually the
> largest class at most
> contests.  I think we need to consider the length of time
> in the judges
> chair for those that have to judge it as well.
> 
> Arch
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of mike mueller
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:31 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> Sequence
> 
> 
>  The current pattern puts E. guys at a bit of a
> disadvantage. It pushes my
> setup a little further than I prefer. It is a great pattern
> and I compliment
> the designers for having a nice flow. Mike
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, verne at twmi.rr.com
> <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: verne at twmi.rr.com <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters
> Sequence
> > To: "General pattern discussion"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:24 AM
> > If it sounded as though I were complaining that the
> current
> > Masters schedule takes too long, I wasn't. Just
> > commenting that it takes a lot longer than the
> previous one.
> > For me, eight minutes from takeoff to landing approach
> (my
> > timer is started on takeoff and is almost always
> beeping
> > during my landing). I fly at what I would call a
> medium
> > speed most of the time. 
> > 
> > I'm also against flying the FAI-P schedule.
> I'd
> > rather fly a home-grown variant that we create
> ourselves.
> > 
> > Verne Koester
> > 
> > 
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