[NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence

Tue May 5 08:24:04 AKDT 2009

One other note on Contest management.  Master's guys don't always like it... but we've had some success when we get too many (12 or more) to run a 4 round contest with a 2 round finals taking only half the group to the finals.  It means some people don't get to fly the last two round, but it means the rest of the classes have time for all 6.  Not the best solution...I'd prefer a shorter schedule, but for total air time, it seems to fairest to all participants.

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Burton
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 12:08 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence

Mark nailed it IMO! We have to consider contest management and judging
requirements when designing schedules in addition to what pilots may want.

Dave

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:58 AM
To: General pattern discussion; mups1953 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence

Hear Hear!!

I love flying long sequences...hate judging them.  There needs to be a
balance.  Not just for the sake of the judges, but also to accommodate the
length of the contest.  

At a big D4/D5 contest we'll usually have 5-6 FAI pilots and 15 or 16
masters pilots.  Currently the masters pattern is a MINIMUM of 10 minutes
per pilot (maybe not in the air, but you have to really have people on their
toes to even get 6 flights in an hour).  With 16 masters pilots, that's 2
hours and 40 minutes of flying per round if you're humpin'.   Six rounds
means 16 hours of flying for JUST masters guys.  Assuming you have 2 lines,
that means one of those lines is dedicated to Masters for the entire contest
AND assume you have 16 hours to fly.

We never have 16 hours to fly.  Rarely can we get people to stay until 6pm
on Sunday (9am - 6pm with a lunch break both days) and most fields have the
sun in the box either in the morning or afternoon which shortens the flying
day even more.

Now add to those woes that you only have 5-6 FAI guys judging.  You need 32
man hours of judging, so even if you mix in a group of Advanced flyers it's
a loooong time in the chair.

Bottom line, regardless of whether it's P-09 (probably not a good choice at
this point) or a home brewed pattern...it needs to follow the FAI trend of
getting a little shorter.  

My .02

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie
Stafford
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:38 AM
To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence

Verne,

This started when I suggested to the sequence committee that we need to
shorten the masters pattern.  Flying it is fine, but I think we need to take
into account the guys who have to sit and judge it.  I heard several guys in
FAI judging this weekend about how long a sequence it is.  Which wouldn't be
near as bad except for the fact Masters is usually the largest class at most
contests.  I think we need to consider the length of time in the judges
chair for those that have to judge it as well.

Arch

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:31 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence

 The current pattern puts E. guys at a bit of a disadvantage. It pushes my
setup a little further than I prefer. It is a great pattern and I compliment
the designers for having a nice flow. Mike

--- On Tue, 5/5/09, verne at twmi.rr.com <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: verne at twmi.rr.com <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Length of 2011 Masters Sequence
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 10:24 AM
> If it sounded as though I were complaining that the current
> Masters schedule takes too long, I wasn't. Just
> commenting that it takes a lot longer than the previous one.
> For me, eight minutes from takeoff to landing approach (my
> timer is started on takeoff and is almost always beeping
> during my landing). I fly at what I would call a medium
> speed most of the time. 
> 
> I'm also against flying the FAI-P schedule. I'd
> rather fly a home-grown variant that we create ourselves.
> 
> Verne Koester
> 
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