[NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
Ken Thompson
KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com
Mon Mar 2 16:01:30 AKST 2009
Agreed...
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From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
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Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
> Amen. I guess no one remembers the mess we had a couple of years ago
> with 0 or 10 takeoffs and landings. Suddenly, everyone forgot how to
> do it safely. And I disagree that it is not an aerobatic manuever.
> Very hard to do perfectly, but good ones are beautiful. Is straight
> and level flight "aerobatic"? We judge it in every class.
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> From: J Shu <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
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> I'd much rather see take-offs and landings
> be judged. What's the incentive of having a pilot learn how to learn a
> proper (and safe) take-off and landing if there is no 10 to shoot for?
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> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
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> I agree, TO's and Landings shouldn't be judged. Add one turn around
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> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, George W.Kennie <geobet4 at verizon.net>
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> George W.Kennie <geobet4 at verizon.net>
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> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
> To: "General pattern
> discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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> I think that dropping the scoring
> of TOs and LGs with the intent of reducing risk will be only
> minimally effective. There are always going to be individuals
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> ineptitude, whatever, no matter how many times they go
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> You make a good argument
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
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> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
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> landings should be judged. These are the maneuvers that
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> plane closest to the pilots/judges/spectators. I've
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> bad takeoffs and landing approaches pushed to dangerous
> situations when they would probably have been aborted
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> not been scored maneuvers. At the very least, the
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> risk. At the most, people are at risk. I've had one
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> person in the pits at full throttle, just after lifting
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> ground, when the plane first veered away from the pits
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> runway. At no point did he back off the throttle. In
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> airborne maneuvers where the degree of concentration
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> the airframe back into contact with terra firma and
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> complete and confident control. This is a skill that is
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