[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions

[Matthew Frederick]

Actually the landing description says "there is no downgrade if the model rolls to a stop within 10 meters." The intent of the rule as I read it is that judging stops once the model has rolled 10 meters (or stops), regardless of whether or not the plane has come to a stop. Therefore, you cannot deviate the path of the airplane from the original heading for landing until it has rolled 10 meters (approximately 33 feet) without incurring a downgrade. Once the model has rolled this distance, the maneuver is complete, and the pilot can turn the aircraft or do whatever is needed to slow it down and bring it to a stop. As far as things outside the pilot's control (poor runway surface) I have a tendency to not downgrade for these on takeoff or landing (unless of course landing gear are ripped out). I've been gigged too many times on takeoff because I hit a hump in the runway and the plane jumped in the air, so I don't do it to anyone else.

Matt
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George W.Kennie 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions



  Bill,

  This is probably inaccurate, but I notice that noone else has responded to your inquiry so just to prove that I have not learned my lesson, here goes. 

  In the landing descriptor it states, " there is no down grade if the model rolls to a stop within 15 meters".   I think the crucial word is STOP !   What does this mean to proper execution?   How many times have you seen a plane touch down perfectly within one meter of the center line and then proceed to roll perfectly straight down the center of the runway without a single bounce for a distance of 150 feet?  A little hot maybe, but to most observers, a beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop within 15 meters" stipulation, it would appear that this becomes a downgradeable offence. Sounds, to me, like maybe it's the pilot's responsibility to also control the approach airspeed so that touchdown occurs just above stall speed controlling the rollout distance, but maybe somebody will correct me on this. I think this would also cover stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.

  If the pilot performs a landing and meets all the above requirements and then encounters an obstacle, whether that be a hole or a hummock or whatever, I would deem the execution faultless and rule "beyond the pilot's control" and score a 10.  Flipovers usually occur as a result of either the plane being outside the landing zone or equipment malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and would require discretionary judgement on the part of the scorer.

  And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think that needs correcting. 

  Of course, all this is my opinionated interpretation of matters and should be so received.

  G.



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: billglaze 
    To: nsrca- discussion 
    Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:30 PM
    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions


    At the risk of starting another downwind turn discussion:

    I've been reading over the excellent PowerPoint presentation, and I'd like a question answered that I've had for a long time.
    On landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic zero?  I've felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've had people tell me "after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost interest in the airplane."  It can roll anywhere, do anything, and it doesn't affect the score, is their idea.  
    Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls immediately into what awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is the landing zeroed?  I've been called for doing so once.
    Secondly, in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it states for the Split S:  A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the same altitude.  Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but I've been wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's happened!)<G>  I've been known to incorrectly read/interpret also.  Standing by for the more knowledgeable brains on the list!
    thanks
    Bill Glaze
    NSRCA 2388




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