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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually the landing description says "there is no
downgrade if the model rolls to a stop within <STRONG>10 meters</STRONG>." The
intent of the rule as I read it is that judging stops once the model has rolled
10 meters (or stops), regardless of whether or not the plane has come to a stop.
Therefore, you cannot deviate the path of the airplane from the original heading
for landing until it has rolled 10 meters (approximately 33 feet) without
incurring a downgrade. Once the model has rolled this distance, the maneuver is
complete, and the pilot can turn the aircraft or do whatever is needed to slow
it down and bring it to a stop. As far as things outside the pilot's control
(poor runway surface) I have a tendency to not downgrade for these on takeoff or
landing (unless of course landing gear are ripped out). I've been gigged too
many times on takeoff because I hit a hump in the runway and the plane jumped in
the air, so I don't do it to anyone else.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=geobet4@verizon.net href="mailto:geobet4@verizon.net">George
W.Kennie</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">General pattern discussion</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 02, 2009 10:15
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Questions</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Bill,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>This is probably inaccurate, but I notice that
noone else has responded to your inquiry so just to prove that I have not
learned my lesson, here goes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>In the landing descriptor it states, " there is
no down grade if the model rolls to a stop within 15 meters". I
think the crucial word is STOP ! What does this mean to proper
execution? How many times have you seen a plane touch down
perfectly within one meter of the center line and then proceed to roll
perfectly straight down the center of the runway without a single bounce for a
distance of 150 feet? A little hot maybe, but to most observers, a
beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop within 15 meters" stipulation, it
would appear that this becomes a downgradeable offence. Sounds, to me, like
maybe it's the pilot's responsibility to also control the approach airspeed so
that touchdown occurs just above stall speed controlling the rollout distance,
but maybe somebody will correct me on this. I think this would also cover
stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>If the pilot performs a landing and meets
all the above requirements and then encounters an obstacle, whether that be a
hole or a hummock or whatever, I would deem the execution faultless and rule
"beyond the pilot's control" and score a 10. Flipovers usually occur as
a result of either the plane being outside the landing zone or equipment
malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and would require discretionary judgement on
the part of the scorer.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical
impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think
that needs correcting. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>Of course, all this is my opinionated
interpretation of matters and should be so received.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4>G.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=billglaze@bellsouth.net
href="mailto:billglaze@bellsouth.net">billglaze</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca- discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:30
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [NSRCA-discussion] Judging
Questions</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>At the risk of starting another downwind turn
discussion:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I've been reading over the excellent PowerPoint
presentation, and I'd like a question answered that I've had for a long
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>On landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an
automatic zero? I've felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've
had people tell me "after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost
interest in the airplane." It can roll anywhere, do anything, and it
doesn't affect the score, is their idea. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then
rolls immediately into what awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is the
landing zeroed? I've been called for doing so once.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Secondly, in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it
states for the Split S: A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at
the same altitude. Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but
I've been wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's happened!)<G> I've
been known to incorrectly read/interpret also. Standing by for the
more knowledgeable brains on the list!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Bill Glaze</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>NSRCA 2388<BR></DIV></FONT>
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