[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009: Two 2/2 reversed

[Keith Black]

Matt, my sentence wasn't worded well. I was trying to say I think it
will be easier to fit in the box without the pause in the middle.


On 3/2/09, rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com> wrote:
> Keith,
>
> I'm not certain I got your meaning in your last sentence of the long
> paragraph.
>
> Anyway, the maneuver is straight forward for those who are still
> uncertain:
>
> enter downwind,
> half roll to inverted
> hold until short distance before center
> half roll to upright (same roll direction as first roll element)....
> as wings get horizontal, make sure you are at center
> immediately start the next half roll in the opposite direction
> hold the inverted
> half roll to upright (same roll direction as third roll element)....
>
> Instant model reaches horizontal again, geometry is finished....don't
> forget the S&L after to make the maneuver complete
>
> Downgrades as shown in the Wallace PPP
>
> MattK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Black <tkeithblack at gmail.com>
> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 11:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009: Two 2/2 reversed
>
> This will make centering the maneuver more difficult (since you can't
> draw the line out to compensate for getting there early), however, I
> think it should make the maneuver easier to fit in the box. With a good
> tail wind inserting three pauses with four unrushed half rolls eats up
> the box REAL quickly. This allows us to fly two 2/2 rolls on each side
> of center going all the way to center to complete the 2 of 2.
>
> I'm anxious to give this a try.
>
> Keith
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>  From: nsrc
> a-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> rcmaster199 at aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 5:33 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; glen59shep at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009: Two 2/2 reversed
>
> Reversal is immediate. Point rolls require hesitation
>
> Immediate reversal means as soon as model's wing reach horizontal,
> model needs to start the opposite roll. There are situations in
> maneuvers where opposite rolling elements are present (Reverse Point
> Roll, Reverse Knife Edge,etc., for example) where reversal MUST NOT
> happen immediately because a hesitation must be flown of some duration.
>
> But in TWO, 2/2 Rolls Opposite, the description requires 2 individual
> and complete 2/2 rolls to be done, in opposite directions. This follows
> established precedent (first done in F3A assymetric rolling maneuvers)
> where two different rolls were required in opposite directions.  I am
> pretty sure F3A folks remember the 1 1/2 Snap. 4/8 Roll opposite they
> flew about 6 or 7 years ago. It was the first such maneuver introduced
> into Pattern
>
> MattK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Smith <js.smith at verizon.net>
> To: glen59shep at yahoo.com; 'General pattern discussion'
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 4:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009: Two 2/2 reversed
>
> Look a little further down:
>
>
>
> Two of Two Point Rolls Reversed – From level upright or inverted flight,
> model performs one-ha
> lf (1/2) roll to level inverted/upright flight,
> hesitates,
> performs another one-half (1/2) roll in the same direction to level
> upright/inverted
> flight. Immediately the model
> performs one-half (1/2) roll to level inverted/upright fli
> ght in the
> opposite
> direction to the 1st two half rolls, hesitates, performs
> another one-half (1/2) roll in the same direction to level
> upright/inverted
> flight.
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> From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Glen
> Shepherd
>
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:06
> PM
>
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
> Masters 2009: Two 2/2 reversed
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>   I checked the RCA and I didn't see anything for Two
>   (2) , 2/2 Reversed. I used the NSRCA link to the RCA
>
>
>   2009-2010 RCA-32: "
>
>   Two
>    (2), Two of Four (2/4pt) Point Rolls Reversed: From inverted flight.
> Model rolls
>    through 180 degrees, hesitating at each 90 degree point. Then rolls
> through
>    180 degrees in the opposite direction hesitating at each 90 degree
> point. At
>     each hesitation wings are parallel or vertical to the horizon.
> Center
> is
>   middle of upright flight. Downgrades:
>   1. One-quarter rolls more or less than
>   90 degrees
>   2. Model does not
>   hesitate after each one-quarter roll
>   3. Roll rate not constant
>   4. Changes in altitude
>   5. Ch
> anges in heading
>   Two
>    point (2/2pt) roll – slow roll reversed: Model performs a two point
> (2/2pt) roll, immediately
>    performs a slow roll in the opposite direction. See descriptions
> of
> two point
>    roll and slow roll for requirements and downgrades for all elements
> except
>    centering. Roll rates need not be the same for the two point (2/2pt)
> and the
>   slow roll. Downgrades:
>   1. Centering. The center of the maneuver
>    is determined as the middle of combined roll elements. Center is
> determined
>    by the midpoint between the start of the two point (2/2pt) roll and
> finish of
>   the slow roll.
>   2. Roll reversal not immediate.
>
>   Glen Shapherd
>   NSRCA 3017
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