[NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions

[billglaze]

Thanks, Georgie:
There are so many scenarios, but I feel they could probably be covered and remove any confusion, (at least, MY confusion) to make it more cut and dried.  I've seen a plane, more than once, touch down with a couple of yards to go in the LZ.  Nothing new there, but it then goes out of the LZ and who knows what will happen?  If it rolled to a stop within the LZ, then the 15 meters come into play.  Probably I'm the only one here trying to pick flyspecks out of pepper, and maybe it isn't necessary.  But, I was judging at a contest last Fall, and the plane touched down within a few yards, (maybe 4) of the end of the LZ, went into the tall grass off the end, and went over on it's back.  I zeroed the landing.  Later the CD asked me: "Did it touch down in the LZ?"  I said "yes."  He said "then it's not a zero."  O.K. then what is it?  That happens often enough that it should be cut-and-dried; maybe it is for everybody else.
Thanks much for coming back to me; your opinion is always considered valid and worthy of consideration.

Bill Glaze
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George W.Kennie 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions



  Bill,

  This is probably inaccurate, but I notice that noone else has responded to your inquiry so just to prove that I have not learned my lesson, here goes. 

  In the landing descriptor it states, " there is no down grade if the model rolls to a stop within 15 meters".   I think the crucial word is STOP !   What does this mean to proper execution?   How many times have you seen a plane touch down perfectly within one meter of the center line and then proceed to roll perfectly straight down the center of the runway without a single bounce for a distance of 150 feet?  A little hot maybe, but to most observers, a beautiful landing. In light of the "Stop within 15 meters" stipulation, it would appear that this becomes a downgradeable offence. Sounds, to me, like maybe it's the pilot's responsibility to also control the approach airspeed so that touchdown occurs just above stall speed controlling the rollout distance, but maybe somebody will correct me on this. I think this would also cover stuff like flipovers after the 15 meter rollout.

  If the pilot performs a landing and meets all the above requirements and then encounters an obstacle, whether that be a hole or a hummock or whatever, I would deem the execution faultless and rule "beyond the pilot's control" and score a 10.  Flipovers usually occur as a result of either the plane being outside the landing zone or equipment malfunction ( stuck wheel e.t.c.) and would require discretionary judgement on the part of the scorer.

  And yup, I agree, It's got to be a physical impossibility to enter and exit a Split Esse at the same altitude. I think that needs correcting. 

  Of course, all this is my opinionated interpretation of matters and should be so received.

  G.



    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: billglaze 
    To: nsrca- discussion 
    Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 4:30 PM
    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging Questions


    At the risk of starting another downwind turn discussion:

    I've been reading over the excellent PowerPoint presentation, and I'd like a question answered that I've had for a long time.
    On landing, if the plane overturns AT ANY TIME is it an automatic zero?  I've felt for a long time that it should be, yet I've had people tell me "after 50 ft. landing roll, we've completely lost interest in the airplane."  It can roll anywhere, do anything, and it doesn't affect the score, is their idea.  
    Also, if it TOUCHES DOWN in the landing zone, and then rolls immediately into what awaits, (in some cases, a small canyon) is the landing zeroed?  I've been called for doing so once.
    Secondly, in reading the presentation for Intermediate, it states for the Split S:  A downgrade if the entry and exit are not at the same altitude.  Seems to me to be an error that slipped by, but I've been wrong before. (Honest; yes, it's happened!)<G>  I've been known to incorrectly read/interpret also.  Standing by for the more knowledgeable brains on the list!
    thanks
    Bill Glaze
    NSRCA 2388




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