[NSRCA-discussion] Weight

[Dave Harmon]

I think it's perfectly logical considering that the E-plane can't take off
if the batteries aren't onboard.

If you install the batteries it still can't takeoff because they are not
charged.

Ok.then they get charged..

Oh.sorry..the fuel is weightless.

 

Fuel the 10lb G-plane and it weighs about 20 oz more..

Add the CDI spark box at 4oz, remove 8 oz (weight) of G-fuel...voila.11
pounds takeoff weight.

 

This is why it IS logical to weigh E-planes with batteries...charged or not.

Regards

Dave Harmon
NSRCA 586
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
Sperry, Ok. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 10:26 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight

 

As Ron pointed out--the decision to weigh "with batteries" was probably
someone's very strict interpretation.  Do we have any idea who that
is/was--and could it just be re-interpreted?  This is just flat not logical.
RS 
> From: mjfrederick at cox.net
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:04:52 -0500
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight
> 
> It's not so much that the designs are obsolete, people just feel 
> embarrassed showing up with an old airplane. A friend of mine who 
> designs airplanes has designed 3 airplanes in the last 3 years. The 
> main reason for the new designs is changes in F3A schedules. His older 
> designs going back to the mid to late 90's are still highly 
> competitive. His new designs are not for AMA pattern, they're for f3a. 
> If you choose to buy a design that is more than you need, that's your 
> choice but don't look for a rules change to fix AMA pattern when 
> there's nothing broke. Keeping up with the Joneses in f3a is not a 
> valid reason for a rule change.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:45 AM, mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > "designs are obsolete in 2-3 years"
> > Amen to that Ron. Pattern is like F1 racing we're competitive and 
> > always looking for better and different. Truth be known I look 
> > forward to a new plane in the Spring that I planned and prepared for 
> > a year or so. It's part of what appeals me to pattern and I do this 
> > on a lower budget than many would deam possible. Trust me on this. 
> > It's all about will and determination and innovation to get what I 
> > want with as little as I have to work with. Money and building 
> > talents lacking I still put down a competitive piece each year. No 
> > sponsors either. Now that's actually pretty funny sorry.....
> > Not saying a 5 year old design can't be competitive and that the 
> > pilot doesn't determine the outcome most of the time. I'm saying 
> > that I think designs for the truly competitive have a rather short 
> > lifespan and that's not going to change anytime soon.
> > Also Ron there are a lot of planes on the market that work well with 
> > IC. What about the Passport? Osmose? Integral? It's only been a year 
> > or so that the newer generation of planes have been introduced that 
> > are dedicated for E. use like the E Motion, Spark, Beryl E. 
> > Addiction E. and the Sickle. Before that all the designs were meant 
> > for IC and we adapted them to fit E.
> > Mike
> >
> > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight
> >> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 7:10 AM
> >> I agree with Paul. Remove the
> >> weight limit and keep the 2 meter size
> >> limit. If someone wants to fly a 15 lb biplane
> >> powered with a DA-50
> >> more power too them. Sure our current planes may be
> >> obsolete but all
> >> designs are obsolete in 2-3 years.
> >>
> >> I'm an intermediate pilot and my biggest concern is the
> >> selection of
> >> designs available. Right now other than the Focus II
> >> or the Black Magic
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