<html>
<head>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=US-ASCII">
<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">
<style>
<!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
panose-1:3 15 7 2 3 3 2 2 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Verdana;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
p
{margin-right:0in;
margin-left:0in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
p.NormalWeb1, li.NormalWeb1, div.NormalWeb1
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman";}
span.EmailStyle20
{font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:blue;
font-weight:normal;
font-style:normal;
text-decoration:none none;}
@page Section1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;}
div.Section1
{page:Section1;}
-->
</style>
</head>
<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue>
<div class=Section1>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>I think it’s
perfectly logical considering that the E-plane can't take off if the batteries aren’t
onboard.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>If you install
the batteries it still can’t takeoff because they are not charged.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Ok…then
they get charged….</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Oh…sorry….the
fuel is weightless.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Fuel the 10lb G-plane
and it weighs about 20 oz more……</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Add the CDI
spark box at 4oz, remove 8 oz (weight) of G-fuel…..voila…11 pounds
takeoff weight.</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>This is why it
IS logical to weigh E-planes with batteries…..charged or not.</span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:blue'>Regards<br>
<br>
Dave Harmon<br>
NSRCA 586<br>
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net<br>
Sperry, Ok.</span></font><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'> </span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Strickland<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 04, 2009
10:26 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> General pattern discussion<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
Weight</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>As
Ron pointed out--the decision to weigh "with batteries" was probably
someone's very strict <em><i><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:
Verdana'>interpretation. </span></font></i></em> Do we have any idea who
that is/was--and could it just be re-interpreted? This is just flat not
logical.<br>
RS <br>
> From: mjfrederick@cox.net<br>
> To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:04:52 -0500<br>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br>
> <br>
> It's not so much that the designs are obsolete, people just feel <br>
> embarrassed showing up with an old airplane. A friend of mine who <br>
> designs airplanes has designed 3 airplanes in the last 3 years. The <br>
> main reason for the new designs is changes in F3A schedules. His older <br>
> designs going back to the mid to late 90's are still highly <br>
> competitive. His new designs are not for AMA pattern, they're for f3a. <br>
> If you choose to buy a design that is more than you need, that's your <br>
> choice but don't look for a rules change to fix AMA pattern when <br>
> there's nothing broke. Keeping up with the Joneses in f3a is not a <br>
> valid reason for a rule change.<br>
> <br>
> Sent from my iPhone<br>
> <br>
> On Jun 4, 2009, at 7:45 AM, mike mueller <mups1953@yahoo.com> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> ><br>
> > "designs are obsolete in 2-3 years"<br>
> > Amen to that Ron. Pattern is like F1 racing we're competitive and <br>
> > always looking for better and different. Truth be known I look <br>
> > forward to a new plane in the Spring that I planned and prepared for <br>
> > a year or so. It's part of what appeals me to pattern and I do this <br>
> > on a lower budget than many would deam possible. Trust me on this. <br>
> > It's all about will and determination and innovation to get what I <br>
> > want with as little as I have to work with. Money and building <br>
> > talents lacking I still put down a competitive piece each year. No <br>
> > sponsors either. Now that's actually pretty funny sorry.....<br>
> > Not saying a 5 year old design can't be competitive and that the <br>
> > pilot doesn't determine the outcome most of the time. I'm saying <br>
> > that I think designs for the truly competitive have a rather short <br>
> > lifespan and that's not going to change anytime soon.<br>
> > Also Ron there are a lot of planes on the market that work well with <br>
> > IC. What about the Passport? Osmose? Integral? It's only been a year <br>
> > or so that the newer generation of planes have been introduced that <br>
> > are dedicated for E. use like the E Motion, Spark, Beryl E. <br>
> > Addiction E. and the Sickle. Before that all the designs were meant <br>
> > for IC and we adapted them to fit E.<br>
> > Mike<br>
> ><br>
> > --- On Thu, 6/4/09, Ron Hansen <rcpilot@wowway.com> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot@wowway.com><br>
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight<br>
> >> To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br>
> >> Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 7:10 AM<br>
> >> I agree with Paul. Remove the<br>
> >> weight limit and keep the 2 meter size<br>
> >> limit. If someone wants to fly a 15 lb biplane<br>
> >> powered with a DA-50<br>
> >> more power too them. Sure our current planes may be<br>
> >> obsolete but all<br>
> >> designs are obsolete in 2-3 years.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I'm an intermediate pilot and my biggest concern is the<br>
> >> selection of<br>
> >> designs available. Right now other than the Focus II<br>
> >> or the Black Magic<br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br>
> NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</span></font></p>
<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font
size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Lauren found her dream laptop. <a
href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290"
target="_new">Find the PC that’s right for you.</a></span></font></p>
</div>
</body>
</html>