[NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

Fri Jul 31 10:15:13 AKDT 2009

Bill:
I had stated this several times before on this discussion group.  Many VP's
have lots of pressure from sport pilots that don't give a &%$* about
competition.  The facts are that less than 1% of the AMA membership competes
officially in a sanctioned event.  It become difficult as to why we have to
pay FAI almost $100,000 each year just for the right to represent the USA in
FAI events/planning!  The cost of running the competition department at HQ
who handles sanctions/rule books/FAI events and World Champs adds to the
overall cost of AMA.  

Remember, I AM FOR COMPETITION!   It is just difficult to debate it with
other council members that just see it as a cost we could eliminate as 99%
of the membership does not want it...

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:05 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

Tony:

I am, (and I'm sure the rest of us agree on this) grateful that you're a
voice on the council.  I also recognize that demographics change in this
hobby.  I'm old enough to remember, (though faintly!<G>) when hand-launch
gliders were a very big part of the sport, as an example of changed demos.
And, at one time, U-Control speed was a big name.

But if those individuals on the council want to eliminate the Nats, it seems
to me that they are eliminating a large incentive for even belonging to the
AMA.  (Leaving aside the insurance, for these purposes, which can be handled
by other means.)

Surely, it's only gentlemanly to accomodate others when possible.  But, it
seems to me that the others owe it to the rest of us to at least check and
see what's going on in Muncie before they stake their vacation on sport
flying a day or so there.  (As an example.)  For example; I wouldn't
consider riding my Triumph(s) into Sturgis during August; I make it during
October.  (Weather's friendlier, anyway!)

But, it's news to me that AMA people want to eliminate the Nationals; I'll
bet it's news to a lot of the folks in this discussion.  And, not to beat a
dead horse, but seems to me that AMA has abrogated a lot of their
responsibility for the Nats once they handed them over to the various SIGS.
(No complaint from me on this one.) Still and all, my feeling is that one of
the main reasons AMA exists, as has been mentioned, is competition.  In
fact, that was one of the reasons for their founding, in 1936.  Or so I see
it.

Bill Glaze

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From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; 'General pattern discussion'
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:29 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

John:
It is a tough crowd!! LOL.

Bill:
I am a big Competition fan and will support competition to the end.
However, I am just about the only one left on the council that does support
it.  Many want the NATS eliminated completely.  

The NATS has 1st priority on field use.  If a sport pilot drives up and
wants to fly, they have to wait until competition is over.  The NATS does
not cave to sport pilots, but we should accommodate them when we can.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:58 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

Tony,

 And you thought I was acting mean. Tough crowd here... LOL

John Pavlick

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:

From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:48 PM

Ed: I agree.  If the AMA is going to cave to those locals who are
inconvenienced by their not having access during Nats,, perhaps the AMA
should limit their membership to only include those locals, and eliminate
all other "outside" activities..  I'm sure that their numbers could support
the entire AMA and all the peripherals.  Yeah, Right. (Upkeep on the site,
etc. as well as running the general association.)

Inasmuch as my only inconvenience is a good-sized hotel bill, and about 1600
miles (total) on my vehicle, I guess elimination of this "inconvenience"
(the Nats) would be an asset.  And, because of where I am, I readily
recognize my "inconvenience" is a lot less than some others, who are coming
from further.

Bill Glaze

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From:  <http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ed_alt@hotmail.com> Ed
Alt 

To:
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rg> 'General pattern discussion' 

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:47 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

I wish to register a complaint.  What form do I sign?  :-)  The AMA site is
inconveniently located for my normal weekend practice.  Why are my dues
supporting a tiny fraction of AMA membership to have access to a flying site
that I can't drive to easily?  In other words, who cares about the
complaints of the locals.  It's OUR site and the vocal minority have
exclusive access for the rest of the year.  Tough noogies.

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:36 AM
To: NSRCA Discussion List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

It really isn't just about cutting costs either. It is also about other AMA
membership complaining about the site not being available for their use. You
would not believe the number of complaints AMA has had about the AMA site
being tied up. That is why the overall Nats at the site has been shortened
in length. 

If you are on 72, better plan on moving over to SS in the future. I've heard
rumours that the AMA has been considering making the AMA site SS only in the
future.

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:57:16 -0700
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

This is really funny. They want to bring the nats to 2 weeks to cut costs. I
am sure they make money the way it is. Take this for what it is, heresay,
but  I heard that the members of the club were complaining that the nats
takes too much of their time away from their field for them to fly. Wasn't
the field built for a localized nats site? And I'm pretty sure we all paid
for it. The ama will lose out if they go to a 2 weeks nats IMO. Wait till
they see entry's decline. 

Chris 

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:55 PM

That is a possibility also.  AMA is thinking about returning the NATS to a 2
week all-events NATS like used to be done.  If all events are together, HQ
can put all costs into one effort.  If they are all split up, Each group
would have more costs to deal with due to the fact that HQ can't send a
group of people to every site.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA   31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tim Taylor
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:39 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

It was done, It was called NPAC

Tim

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:

From: Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
To: " General pattern discussion " <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:06 PM

Why not allow the SIGS to do their own thing? IMAC and NSRCA do not need to
share a site. The LSF can find a site for the soaring NATS. Pylon knows what
venues work for them and so on. FF can do their own thing as well. Why tie
soaring and FF together and so on??

Tony wrote: 

Matt:
Yes, it is just difficult to tell if it is actually feasible.  The problem
is that it requires a large site for Pattern/Pylon/IMAC and will require
another large site for Soaring/Outdoor FF.  It may be very difficult to
actually find places that can handle this group.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA   31525

 1-800-962-7802 

 <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> www.radiosouthrc.com

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