[NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format

Thu Jul 30 11:37:35 AKDT 2009

It is not about equal exposure it about giving proper recognition to all AMA
classes. These guys deserve the same recognition as Masters or F3A. They pay
their money let's give them a good showcase.

As far as judging you can use  the class members to judge their own finals.
I feel if this is really an AMA National let's treat it that way.  Rusty.   

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format

I have not read everyones comments to thoroughly to digest this.

But, we already have a problem with getting judges for the Masters and FAI
finals already. Getting judges for the other classes on top of that really
makes it difficult. This years Nats was a prime example, there was an
imbalance of judges district wise in the Masters finals. Don't know how FAI
panned out.

Do we really need a finals for Intermediate and Advanced? They get equal
exposure already. If there is a finals for Advanced and Intermediate, it
really only needs to be the top 5. I had the opportunity to judge Advanced
this year and that is what I see from this experience. Another option for
Masters finals is top 8 with the the 8th being determined by a one round
sudden death flyoff between numbers 8 through 11 or 12 at the end of day 3.

Also, for this to really work properly, there is a need for a pool of say,
at least, 6 paid full time judges available. Not to mention more volunteers
or paid individuals for various other duties if there is a plan to weigh
every plane, etc.

What really messed up this years Nats was the fact that no shows did not
bother to contact Dave early enough or at all for him to fix judging
assignments. No shows are what really screw things up for the contest
management. No shows screw up flight order exposure, create an imbalance in
matrix seeding and sends contest management scrambling to fill judging
assignments vacated by the no shows. We were short about 10  or so judges
from the FAI and Masters pool. This is the critical pool of judges to make
things work. This does not include the Advanced and Intermediate no shows.
This all gets amplified when there is a year with lower than usual
attendance which this year was.

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From: drmikedds at sbcglobal.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:29:38 -0500
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format

From: michael s harrison [mailto:drmikedds at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:45 PM
To: 'Don Ramsey'
Subject: nats format

After considerable thought and reflection, I would like to share my views of
the nats and the classes flown.  I believe we have been very fortunate to
have an excellent group of volunteers that work and sacrifice to make the
nats happen.  That group is led by the event director Dave Guerin, who has
worked tirelessly and unselfishly for years at this job.  I believe he has
responded to our desires to make this the best national event possible.
With that in mind, there are some changes I believe we can make that would
be a win-win for everyone and reduce the workload as well. 

They are:

1.      Have a finals for advanced

a.      8 finalists

b.      3 rounds

c.      Judged by advanced or intermediate judges(qualified volunteers)

d.      The site is open so it is not a space issue

e.      24 flights would take app 3 hours

f.       Do on 4th day

g.      Count the prelims as a 1000 normalized score

h.      Count 3 of 4 scores for the winner

2.      Modify masters accordingly

a.      3 round finals

b.      Count prelims as a 1000 normalized score

c.      Count 3 of 4 for the winner

d.      10 finalists

e.      30 flights about 5.5 hours

3.      Fai

a.      3 rounds final

b.      F-11 flown 1 time

c.      Each unknown(1&2) flown once

d.      Count the semi-final F-11 scores only as a single 1000 normalized
score

e.      Count 3 of 4 for the winner

f.       10 finalists

g.      30 flights about 5.5 hours

Rationale behind changes:

Advanced 

This would make for a very exciting and fun event for the advanced class.
It would make the 4th day a very real part of the nats for them.  This
format is totally self contained with no additional personnel required.  It
could be started and finished before the masters and fai is done.  

Masters 

Masters is in a real sense an endurance contest.  How many times does
someone have to fly the same sequence to prove he is the best in that class.
The present system is 10 times!  The only argument is the equal exposure
issue-which may have merit.   The system I propose addresses that issue and
takes less time.  I raised the number of finalists to 10 to close the
argument that someone is cutout of the finals because of unequal exposure.
Counting the prelim as one of the 4 scores is, in my opinion a legitimate
score to keep-having been earned over a period of 3 days under a number of
variables.  Assuming incorrect scoring(bias, unequal exposure, etc.), the
competitor has 3 flights to erase that concern.  Any 3 flights count so the
prelims score can be dropped.  

FAI

The argument for doing 2 Finals pattern is that at the world event in the
semifinals, there is not equal exposure of the pilots and the pool is so
large that conditions can change substantially over the course of doing the
semifinals.  This rationale wouldn't apply at the nats.  The semifinals at
the nats is only 2 flights with 20 pilots, using the prelim score as a 1000
normalized score.  Therefore, the 2 F patterns can be combined to be a score
carried over into the finals event.  The finals then becomes a single F
pattern and 2 unknowns.  Count 3 of 4 scores.   I would recommend doing the
F schedule first, then the 2 unknowns.  I believe all the other pilots would
love to see FAI unknown finals flown by some of the best pilots in the
world. It would be a showcase event.  

To conclude:

I believe this is a win-win for everyone.  We would add finals to advanced;
both the Masters and FAI finals would be shortened; the best pilots would be
showcased; more pilots would be in the finals; fewer personnel to do the
finals.  

There is no perfect system.  I am sure there will be objections of some
kind, but I believe this system has real merit and should be implemented. 

Respectfully

Mike Harrison

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