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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is not about equal exposure it about giving proper recognition
to all AMA classes. These guys deserve the same recognition as Masters or F3A.
They pay their money let’s give them a good showcase.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>As far as judging you can use the class members to judge their
own finals. I feel if this is really an AMA National let’s treat it that
way. Rusty. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe
Lachowski<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> NSRCA Discussion List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I
have not read everyones comments to thoroughly to digest this.<br>
<br>
But, we already have a problem with getting judges for the Masters and FAI
finals already. Getting judges for the other classes on top of that really
makes it difficult. This years Nats was a prime example, there was an imbalance
of judges district wise in the Masters finals. Don't know how FAI panned out.<br>
<br>
Do we really need a finals for Intermediate and Advanced? They get equal
exposure already. If there is a finals for Advanced and Intermediate,
it really only needs to be the top 5. I had the opportunity to
judge Advanced this year and that is what I see from this experience.
Another option for Masters finals is top 8 with the the 8th being determined by
a one round sudden death flyoff between numbers 8 through 11 or 12 at the end
of day 3.<br>
<br>
Also, for this to really work properly, there is a need for a pool of
say, at least, 6 paid full time judges available. Not to mention more
volunteers or paid individuals for various other duties if there is a
plan to weigh every plane, etc.<br>
<br>
What really messed up this years Nats was the fact that no shows did not
bother to contact Dave early enough or at all for him to fix judging
assignments. No shows are what really screw things up for the contest management.
No shows screw up flight order exposure, create an imbalance in matrix
seeding and sends contest management scrambling to fill judging assignments
vacated by the no shows. We were short about 10 or so judges from the FAI
and Masters pool. This is the critical pool of judges to make things work. This
does not include the Advanced and Intermediate no shows. This all gets
amplified when there is a year with lower than usual attendance which this year
was.<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>From: drmikedds@sbcglobal.net<br>
To: nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org<br>
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:29:38 -0500<br>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: nats format<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> michael s harrison
[mailto:drmikedds@sbcglobal.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 29, 2009 3:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Don Ramsey'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> nats format</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>After
considerable thought and reflection, I would like to share my views of the nats
and the classes flown. I believe we have been very fortunate to have an
excellent group of volunteers that work and sacrifice to make the nats
happen. That group is led by the event director Dave Guerin, who has
worked tirelessly and unselfishly for years at this job. I believe he has
responded to our desires to make this the best national event possible.
With that in mind, there are some changes I believe we can make that would be a
win-win for everyone and reduce the workload as well. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>They
are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>1.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Have a
finals for advanced<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>a.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>8 finalists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>b.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>3 rounds<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>c.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Judged by advanced
or intermediate judges(qualified volunteers)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>d.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The site is open so
it is not a space issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>e.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>24 flights would
take app 3 hours<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>f.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Do on 4<sup>th</sup>
day<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>g.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count the prelims
as a 1000 normalized score<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>h.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count 3 of 4 scores
for the winner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>2.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Modify
masters accordingly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>a.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>3 round finals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>b.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count prelims as a
1000 normalized score<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>c.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count 3 of 4 for
the winner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>d.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>10 finalists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>e.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>30 flights about
5.5 hours<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>3.</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Fai<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>a.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>3 rounds final<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>b.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>F-11 flown 1 time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>c.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Each
unknown(1&2) flown once<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>d.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count the
semi-final F-11 scores only as a single 1000 normalized score<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>e.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Count 3 of 4 for
the winner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>f.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>10 finalists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>g.</span><span
style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>30 flights about
5.5 hours<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Rationale
behind changes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Advanced
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>This
would make for a very exciting and fun event for the advanced class. It
would make the 4<sup>th</sup> day a very real part of the nats for them.
This format is totally self contained with no additional personnel
required. It could be started and finished before the masters and fai is
done. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Masters
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Masters
is in a real sense an endurance contest. How many times does someone have
to fly the same sequence to prove he is the best in that class. The
present system is 10 times! The only argument is the equal exposure
issue-which may have merit. The system I propose addresses that
issue and takes less time. I raised the number of finalists to 10 to
close the argument that someone is cutout of the finals because of unequal
exposure. Counting the prelim as one of the 4 scores is, in my opinion a
legitimate score to keep-having been earned over a period of 3 days under a
number of variables. Assuming incorrect scoring(bias, unequal exposure,
etc.), the competitor has 3 flights to erase that concern. Any 3 flights
count so the prelims score can be dropped. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>FAI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>The
argument for doing 2 Finals pattern is that at the world event in the
semifinals, there is not equal exposure of the pilots and the pool is so large
that conditions can change substantially over the course of doing the
semifinals. This rationale wouldn’t apply at the nats. The
semifinals at the nats is only 2 flights with 20 pilots, using the prelim score
as a 1000 normalized score. Therefore, the 2 F patterns can be combined
to be a score carried over into the finals event. The finals then becomes
a single F pattern and 2 unknowns. Count 3 of 4 scores. I
would recommend doing the F schedule first, then the 2 unknowns. I
believe all the other pilots would love to see FAI unknown finals flown by some
of the best pilots in the world. It would be a showcase event. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>To
conclude:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I
believe this is a win-win for everyone. We would add finals to advanced;
both the Masters and FAI finals would be shortened; the best pilots would be
showcased; more pilots would be in the finals; fewer personnel to do the
finals. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>There
is no perfect system. I am sure there will be objections of some kind,
but I believe this system has real merit and should be implemented. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Respectfully<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Harrison<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Live™ SkyDrive™: Store, access, and share your photos. <a
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