[NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was ArmingPlug/Receptacle Problem

[J N Hiller]

Changing the rules changes the game and the rules will always be exploited.
This discussion is kind of like, which came first, the chicken or the egg.
I remember questioning the weight limit when the current airframe limit was
adopted. Turnaround changed the game excluding ballistic airplanes that
would have benefited from unlimited HP and as long as we fly turnaround in
the box with a 2m airplane the usable motor size / weight is in reality
limited.
Current the rules restrict the optimization of size to weight. If the weight
limit were increased Electrics would probably be able to optimize the
size-weight ratio easier while maintaining DB compliance and biplanes would
likely prevail. The new state of the art technology would probably at least
double the cost as the power to weight ratio is again optimized and the
airframes evolve to utilize the new found power.
Dropping the .60 cu in limit probably doubled the cost and if we had
.60-size turnaround and sufficient participation I would probably fly in it.
A .60-size class might also make pattern more appealing to a few that have
dropped out and possibly more attractive to new participants, besides it all
fits in the trunk of a 30+ MPG automobile.
Jim Hiller

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:31 PM
To: 'homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com'; 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was ArmingPlug/Receptacle
Problem

I disagree with the last statement. New technology does not have to bring
new rules. Just new approaches to meeting the rules.

The weight rule is merely the current limiting factor. It used to be
displacement was the primary limiter.  People said remove the displacement
limit and we'll be able to use cheaper larger motors rather than spending
$$$ on high performance .61 engines.  Yeah ... That worked. Weight just
became the new limiter and we have bigger planes, more expensive bigger high
performance motors.

Remove weight, and size will be the only limiter. And yes, we'll have bigger
(think larger bipes) planes and bigger engines etc.

How long before the call goes out to eliminate the size restriction?

Set the rules. Follow the rules. Compete within the rules.  The rules are
irrelevent for the most part. Its equal for all.  If someones at a
disadvantage flying E, then don't fly E. That's simple.

Fly what you think works best. Plane/power/radio.

Ooooh ... There we go. Let's put in a rule that you can only fly analog 3
pole motor servos!!!  That will save us all some money! :)

-M
------Original Message------

From: krishlan fitzsimmons
To: General pattern discussion
ReplyTo: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
ReplyTo: General pattern discussion
Sent: Feb 9, 2009 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming Plug/Receptacle
Problem

Mark,

lol. I agree. I used to think different, but now I see that on windy days,
the weight rules favor glow, but on calm days, they favor E..
The weight rule is silly in the first place. No one will want to be too
heavy regardless of what the rules are. It should just go away, or go up to
whatever glow can take off at.

New technology brings new rules. Just the way life is.


Chris





--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:


        From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming
Plug/Receptacle Problem
        To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
        Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 7:10 PM


        Can someone explain to me why we care if the rules favor something?
        They're the rules.  If I wanted to fly Turbine because I think it's
the
        best option, should they change the rules to accommodate my choice??
I thought
        we MAKE our choice based on how it fits the rules...not the other
way around.
        We have always designed our planes to fit the rules, not altered the
rules to
        fit our planes.  Why does this change suddenly because a new power
plant is
        getting close to being viable (it's already there)??   Makes no
sense.

        If new batteries came out that weighed 1/3 as much with twice the
capacity,
        suddenly the rules would grossly "favor" electric...and you know
what?
         We would all change, because we pick our equipment to be
competitive.

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