[NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment

Wed Feb 4 09:18:08 AKST 2009

None that I am aware.  The process is that IMAC has an Unknown Sequence
committee and they build these fully detailed sequences.  They
distribute these to the contest CD's ahead of time.  The CD's set the
program to intake the unknown scores and K-factors.  There has been some
evolution on the scoring programs and they are getting better and
better!  Tony Fandino for instance sets a scoring program up, accessible
by WIFI, and you can open up your computer and see all of your scores,
averages, per maneuver, all competitors, etc, as soon as they are input.

Thanks,

Jim

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Anthony
Romano
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:06 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment

What are the logistics of scoring with an Unkown?

Anthony

> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:44:29 -0500
> From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment
> 
> My experience in flying and judging unknowns, locally and at a Nats,
is this:
> 
> In order to adequately judge unknowns you should have a scribe and an
aresti-caller. This person is experienced and reads ahead the elements
of each maneuver so you as a judge can stay watching the maneuver and
right on queue. 
> 
> If you put this in practice like we do in the SE IMAC region, judging
the unknowns is not a problem, and rarely more of a problem that typical
known round judging.
> 
> However, I disagree with your assessment about experienced pilots
being able to execute an unknown if only the caller is on the ball.
Flying unknown sequences is a skill that is undeveloped in pattern
pilots. On paper it looks simple enough, but in execution, it is totally
different animal. I can name pilots either way that fly so-so knowns,
then fly better unknowns, and pilots that fly GREAT knowns, and lose
focus on unknowns.... (the first "skill" that needs nourishment is the
ability to truly listen and fly exactly what the caller says and when.
Memorizing an unknown then flying it, is not a practice often used with
the IMAC guys.)
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
rcmaster199 at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:34 AM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment
> 
> Unknowns are a fair idea. Most of us long timers in the sport have 
> flown most maneuvers in the book and could execute an unknown sequence

> reasonably well if we had a caller who was on the ball.
> 
> The main problem I see with unknowns is judging them correctly. My 
> concern isn't with judges with routinely judge F3A and Masters 
> Finals....these folks have a pretty good grasp on judging nuances in 
> general, which include unknown sequences (in F3A anyway). BUT can the 
> same be said for the everyday folks who attend the contests to fly and

> are also tapped to judge? I'm not so sure.
> 
> MattK
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jtkeiser at comcast.net
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:19 am
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment
> 
> Well, just think Ron, now all your competitors would be doing the same

> - at least for one flight. Doesn't that seem more fair?
> 
>  
> 
> Jack
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Van Putte" &lt;vanputte at cox.net&gt;
> To: "General pattern discussion" 
> &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;
> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:16:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment
> 
> I'm in the Master class and I fly unknowns all the time.  Just ask my

> caller, John Fuqua, and he'll tell you that I rarely know what's next.
> 
> Ron VP
> 
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Vicente=2
> 0Vince Bortone wrote:
> &gt; I also fly AMA pattern and IMAC when there is a contest close to

> &gt; Kansas City.  I wish that I could fly IAC.  Yes, it will be  
> &gt; interesting to add unknowns to pattern.  In IMAC the class that  
> &gt; does not fly unknowns is basic.  All the rest fly unknowns.
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