[NSRCA-discussion] This email list is flawed in my opinion.

[Vicente "Vince" Bortone]

Matt, 



Yes, very important detail.  I flew in the middle of the summer in Kansas.  This was 3-4 years ago.  If I remember correct it was windy (+20 mph).    Please, keep us informed as you gain experience with this new alternative.  



Thanks, 

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:38:04 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
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Vince, 

One thing I can say about the 30cc gasoline engine I am using ( Syssa Aircraft Performance) is that it turns a 19x10 Xoar wood/carbon laminated prop at very useful speed for pattern. It was cold when I ran it Saturday so it is probably more than we would get in mid summer, but it is very encouraging. It would fly an 11 pounder with great authority. 

I also ran the 19x8 Xoar wood/carbon laminate which produced scary power on the ground. Too many r's and probably too noisy. 

I am still learning how to run the powerplant so I expect some changes to my set-up over time. 

MattK 


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From: Vicente "Vince" Bortone 




To: General pattern discussion 
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 8:48 AM 
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Matt, 

It will be very interesting to see your results.  I had the chance to build and fly the Abbra with ZDZ 40.  I was able to comparare the same plane with OS160 back-to-back.  Clearly the ZDZ 40 was behind in power (or power-to-weight ratio) when compared with the OS 160 when doing the Master schedule of that time.  I am sure that less fuel consumption with less BTU content means less power.  The Abbra with the ZDZ 40 was ~3-4 oz over 11 lbs.  The OS 160 Abbra was 9.8 lbs.  I am not sure now what the new gasoline engines manufactures are doing to increase the power.  I believe that an improvement in the design of gas engines is required to make it usable for pattern.  

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

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Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:46:09 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
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Yes that's true. When I was mixing my fuel I needed to do it by volume until I figgered what the volume weighed for each of the nitro blends I was mixing..... 30% nitro is around 10% denser (weighs around 10% more for a tankful) than 15% nitro . 

Soooo ....the guys who are running the YS not only use much larger tanks but their tanks weigh more when full than they would have running lower nitro . But YS is a dawg on lower nitro . You gotta admire YS Marketing strategy 

Yet another reason I am looking into gasoline powerplants for pattern. Gas is significantly less dense than 30% nitro blend and gas engines demand less fuel to begin with. A 320 cc tank (around 11 ozs ) will run the 30 cc engine for around 12 minutes, enough for about 1 2/3 master schedules. 



MattK 





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From: Verne Koester < verne @ twmi . rr .com > 
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Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2009 11:24 pm 
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The weight of fuel is going to depend in large part on the percentage of nitro . Nitro is the heaviest component. Don’t believe it? Go to the hobby shop and pick up a gallon of 5% with one hand and 30% with the other, preferably from the same manufacturer. You’ll be surprised. I know I was when a fuel manufacturer showed me at Toledo about twenty years ago. Fortunately, pilots with glow planes are weighed without the fuel so they don’t have to worry about that… 

Verne 



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Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:16 PM 
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Ed Alt wrote: 

About 0.75 oz per fluid oz. 


I just weighed a gallon of fuel I have here. It was 7.8 pounds including the plastic jig. 0.75 ounces per fluid ounce would mean the jug weighs +/- 29 ounces (1.8 pounds). 
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