[NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Sat Dec 12 09:05:49 AKST 2009

No matter what sport or hobby, Bigger ( heavier ) WILL cost more!
Keep the pattern class the same and play within the rules. Sure it will  
cost more to build a lighter more powerful pattern ship. Increasing weight  
limits in my opinion will NOT reduce the cost of a competitive pattern ship. 

Carl

In a message dated 12/12/2009 9:12:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ronlock at comcast.net writes:

The  un-intended consequence of more weight allowance is that it will get 
filled by  even more expensive parts.

In general a consequence of lowering limits  would be lowered costs.   

Look backwards thru the years when  weight/engine size limits were less 
than now, costs were less.
(maybe  easier to attract new folks to pattern?)

Ron Lockhart

-----  Original Message -----
From: "James Oddino"  <joddino at socal.rr.com>
To: "General pattern discussion"  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009  8:36:58 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight  limit in AMA classes

That's what I was going to say.  Smaller is  more difficult to fly, so why 
not?  

Jim O

On Dec 11, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Mark Hunt wrote:

Want to reduce cost....make the maximum weight  in AMA 9lbs.

-----  Original Message -----
From: _Archie  Stafford_ (mailto:astafford at swtexas.net) 
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Very  simple statement.  Open your checkbook if this passes.  Big 2  meter 
bipes will be the norm.  YS will come out with a 50CC size  engine that 
blows away other gas or Nitro setups, and much bigger, more  powerful electric 
setups to remain competitive.  People thing this  would reduce the cost, it 
will do exactly the opposite.  You are  right Dave, there is no competitive 
advantage to a plane of the size we  are flying now being 11 1/2lbs, but be 
able to build a 13lb bipe with  unlimited power and watch what happens.

Arch

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On Behalf Of Bill  Glaze
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:16  PM
To: _jpavlick at idseng.com_ (mailto:jpavlick at idseng.com) ;  General pattern 
discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight  limit in AMA classes

Yep!   I've got a G-62 laying around here that I have no use for--until  
now.

Bill

----- Original  Message -----

From: _John  Pavlick_ (mailto:jpavlick at idseng.com) 

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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:47  PM

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Excellent!  Looks like I can finally build a gas-powered biplane.  LOL

John  Pavlick

--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Dave  Burton <_burtona at atmc.net_ 
(mailto:burtona at atmc.net) > wrote:

From:  Dave Burton <_burtona at atmc.net_ (mailto:burtona at atmc.net) >
Subject:  [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
To: "'General  pattern discussion'" <_nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org) >
Date:  Friday, December 11, 2009, 4:38 PM 

I  have submitted a rules proposal to completely eliminate the 11  lb. 
Weight
limit in AMA pattern classes. (proposal  11-11).
I'd like to see some discussion on the pros and cons  of this proposal on 
the
NSRCA e-mail list and the Pattern  forum.

My reasons for submitting the proposal include the  following points:

1. There is no competitive advantage to  a heavier plane with the 2 meter
size constraint (in fact I'd  argue a heavier plane is usually at a
disadvantage and  perhaps a minimum weight makes more sense than a maximum)
2.  The 2 meter size constraint is sufficient keep the weight of  pattern
planes to reasonable limits.
3. The fact that AMA  class planes are weighed only at the US Nationals 
gives
proof  that the rule is not now enforced and not needed.
4. The 11  lb. Weight limit drives up the cost of pattern planes through  
the
necessary use of more expensive high tech materials. (If  you don't believe
"light weight" cost a lot of money ask the  people who race sail boats)
5. Removing the weight limit will  reduce the manpower and cost associated
with running the  Nationals And also perhaps increase participation.

OK,  guys, what do you think?
What other "pro" and "con"  points?
Dave  Burton

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