[NSRCA-discussion] WC
Dave
DaveL322 at comcast.net
Tue Aug 25 18:04:08 AKDT 2009
Mike,
Yes, in years past only the 4 prelim rounds were used to determine Team
placings (which is why it had been argued in the past that the US Team
should be selected based on the prelim sequence only).
The current rulebook states -
"The team classification is established at the end of the competition (after
the finals) by adding the numerical final placing of the three team members
of each nation. Teams are ranked from the lowest numerical scores to the
highest, with complete three-competitor teams, ahead of twocompetitor
teams, which in turn are ranked ahead of one-competitor teams. In the case
of a tie, the best individual placing decides the team ranking."
So, assuming all 3 pilots from a country make the semis, they can improve or
drop in the Team standings if the individual pilots, and same thing for the
finals. I think this is a good change for the US, as my perception is that
the top pilots in the US are better than average at unknowns.
Regards,
Dave
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC
OK I think I got the drift from some who stated the US team would have done
better in the world standings if the finals results were used. In the past I
think the wolrd team standings only used the prelimes.Correct?
Also this year didn't they make a change to when and how the team standings
will be determined? Thanks again guys, Mike
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Dave <DaveL322 at comcast.net> wrote:
> From: Dave <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 7:58 PM
> Mike,
>
> In addition to what Tony F said....
>
> I think one of the biggest considerations for the Prelims
> is that the judges
> need to maintain a standard for 4 days, let alone
> variations in weather
> conditions which can substantially affect maneuver
> quality. I'd not expect
> the prelims to be very accurate in terms of exact pilot
> placement -
> especially when you consider the P-09 is relatively easy,
> and variables like
> judging fatigue and weather are going to have more effect
> on the scores.
>
> The judging should be more accurate for the semi's as all
> pilots will be
> seen over a much shorter interval, and the F-09 has enough
> difficulty that
> the maneuver quality will start to degrade pretty quickly
> outside the top
> group.
>
> For the finals, all pilots are seen over a relatively very
> short interval
> (good thing), and the unknowns are certainly a different
> animal for the
> pilots. Some pilots certainly aren't as well suited
> for unknowns as knowns
> - whether that is mindset or practice regimen, who
> knows. I can't say for
> other countries, but I know most of the top F3A guys in the
> US spend as much
> time practicing unknowns as the knowns.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of mike mueller
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 2:58 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WC
>
> Very good stuff Dave. Question? Is there a carry over from
> the Prelims to
> the Semi finals? Also is it fair to say that the Semi's and
> then the finals
> seperate the men from the boys? I have heard that some of
> the top guys
> excell at the semi's but suffer when the harder manuevers
> come into play.
> Just wondering if anyone else has heard of this. Mike
> Mueller
>
> --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Dave <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Dave <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] WC
> > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 12:52 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Top 5 in each
> > group thus far
..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > SOMENZINI
> > USA 978.8
> > 484.8
> > 0
> > 0
> > 494
> >
> > MAYR
> >
> > AUT 920.6
> > 441.8
> > 0
> > 0
> > 478.8
> >
> > NORTHEAST
> > CAN 897.6
> > 429.6
> > 0
> > 0
> > 468
> >
> > DANKSAGMUL
> > AUT 883.6
> > 421.2
> > 0
> > 0
> > 462.4
> >
> > FREMMING
> > NOR 871.8
> > 415.4
> > 0
> > 0
> > 456.4
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > BERND
> > GER 1422.6
> > 452.8
> > 496
> > 473.8 0
> >
> > SUZUKI
> > JPN 1406.6
> > 453.8 485.2
> > 467.6 0
> >
> > WICKIZER
> > USA 1331.4
> > 418
> > 470.4
> > 443 0
> >
> > JUN
> > ZHANG
> > CHN 1331
> > 404.4 461.8
> > 464.8 0
> >
> > BURBAUD
> > FRA 1322.4
> > 416.8 455.2
> > 450.4 0
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > PAYSANT -
> > LE FRA 1014.2
> > 504.2
> > 510
> > 0
> > 0
> >
> > SILVESTRI
> > ITA
> > 974.2
> > 469
> > 505.2
> > 0
> > 0
> >
> > ONDA
> >
> > JPN 972.2
> > 469
> > 503.2
> > 0
> > 0
> >
> > SHULMAN
> > USA 949.2
> > 459.6 489.6
> > 0
> > 0
> >
> > PAYSANT - LE
> > FRA 916.4
> > 461.4
> > 455
> > 0
> > 0
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > AKIBA
> >
> > JPN 1448.6
> > 0
> > 487
> > 490.4 471.2
> >
> > JESKY
> >
> > USA 1424.2
> > 0
> > 474.4
> > 470
> > 479.8
> >
> > ZEINER
> > AUT
> > 1394
> > 0
> > 463
> > 480.2 450.8
> >
> > ROMBAUT
> > ESP 1344.2
> > 0
> > 444.8 448.4
> > 451
> >
> > BUTUZOV
> > RUS 1329.8
> > 0
> > 432
> > 437.6 460.2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > FRA, JPN, AUS,
> > and
> > USA look to be in contention for
> > Gold.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > For the top guys
> > in each group -
> >
> > - QQ has 3
> > potential 1000s
> >
> > - Bernd has 1
> > potential 1000
> >
> > - CPLR has 4
> > potential 1000s
> >
> > - Akiba has 2
> > potential 1000s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.fpam.pt/WCF3A09/Classifications/scores.php
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > GO
> > USA!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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