[NSRCA-discussion] New Vehicle

[mike mueller]

 OK so how do we know that buying Fords and GM's helps the US economy anymore than a Honda, Nissan or a Toyota really? It's more complicated than just associating a Name brand to a particular country anymore.
 Probably best to look at that american content list and see how it benefits the US workers the best. 
 Thanks Jeff that;s good info. Mike

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, jeffghughes at comcast.net <jeffghughes at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: jeffghughes at comcast.net <jeffghughes at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Vehicle
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 10:12 AM
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> {margin:0;}An
> automotive assembly plant does not add much content to a
> car, all the money is in the components and all the car
> manufacturers chase the components to the lowest cost
> producer, which right now is places like china, india and
> brazil. We get our blocks from brazil, cranks from India and
> push rods and valves from China. I started at GM in
> '73 and watched them go from the southern strategy where
> they built components down south (non union) and then things
> got cheaper in Mexico so we shut down plants in SC to move
> to mexico. THen it became even more global with Brazil
> getting into the act, then finally india and china. I
> currently work for a diesel engine mfg and we get 19Liter
> blocks from brazil and 30L blocks from Germany to be
> machined here inthe US. THe Japanese car
> companies brought their supply base over  here
> (NTN, Aisen, etc) when they set up assembly plants, so it
> wouldn't surprise me that they have cars with more US
> content than GM or Ford. 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion"
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> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:25:19 AM GMT -05:00
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> There
> was an article published recently concerning the top 10
> USA
>  content automobiles. Toyota was
> three of them as I recall.
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> Jay Marshall
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob
> Richards
> Sent: Friday,
> August 14,
> 2009
> 8:35
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> To:
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> discussion
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> [NSRCA-discussion] New Vehicle
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> My wife and I bought
> a Honda Element a few years ago (2004) and I remember
> looking at the information about where it was built. It was
> something like 65% components from North America. The CRV,
> which had the same drive train and engine, was 65% Asia or
> Japan (don't remember).
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> I did some EMC
> testing for a manufacturer that made components for Ford.
> Some of their stuff was made here, some in China, some in
> Europe. They design a component that may be used in several,
> if not all, models, and might be made anywhere in the
> world.
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> It wasn't too
> long ago that the ONLY manufacturer that could legally say
> their cars were 100% made in the USA was Saturn, but
> I'll bet that has changed, too.
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> Bob
> R.
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> --- On Fri, 8/14/09,
> mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Phil don't you think that the
> nations attached to most cars is kind of muddled? I mean
> Honda, Nissan and Toyota make a lot of cars here in the US
> employing a lot of Americans. Ford makes a lot of their cars
> in Mexico and Canada and South America. Stock holders own
> car company's up until recently with the Chrysler/ GM
> debacle. Stock holders from Asia own stock in American
> companies and American's own stock in Toyota and Honda.
> Chrysler is now owned by Fiat an Italian company. Mazda is
> 40% owned by Ford and the list goes on and on. I'm not
> usre what makes sense anymore.
> Mike
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