[NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.

Ed Alt ed_alt at hotmail.com
Mon Apr 27 14:24:36 AKDT 2009


This is easy to resolve.  Nothing high tech is needed.  One by one, move 
your controls and carefully watch to see if it looks like the any of them 
are straining at the end of their maximum travel.  Check the throttle in 
particular.  I have seen digital servo cases melt from having the throw set 
up further than the linkage will allow.  If that's not it, disconnect the 
linkages at servo and work the control surface by hand.  If it does not move 
very freely, fix it.  If you don't find the problem there, work the servos 
around in a 10 minute mock flight on the ground, except exaggerate the 
movements considerably since there will be no air load and engine vibration 
to add to the load.  Listen to each servo.  If it sounds like it's having a 
problem, remove it and check it out on the bench.  If there's nothing 
obviously wrong by the sound of things, then feel the servo cases  to see if 
any of them are getting warm, or even try smelling them for that 
characteristic smell that hot electronics tend to have.  If there is a 
regulator that got so hot as to discolor it, and there is nothing at all 
wrong with the linkages or control surfaces, then this ought to find the 
culprit.

Ed
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From: "David Cotton " <davercotton at hotmail.com>
To: "colin chariandy " <cchariandy at yahoo.ca>; 
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Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.


You will need a very good meter to read the current, because a fully loaded 
digital setup takes the current in short spikes and most meters do not have 
a good enough frequency response. I have tried using a very good quality HP 
meter with over 20k frequency response and concluded it's not accurate, but 
it does give you a ball park number and will indicate if you have a serious 
problem. I have monitored my receiver voltage using a FDR data recorder and 
using two nimh batteries pack in parallel see at least one volt drop spikes 
at the receiver when the servos are heavily loaded.  I run 2 20amp  schottky 
diode connected packs in parallel for safety. You can be sure that these 
spikes are  5amps  or more. I placed a Castel reg in the circuit and it 
drops the spikes to a few hundred millivolts

The average current draw is around 250 mA for 2 masters sequences.

Hope this helps. Incidentally the regulator does not get hot.
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-----Original Message-----
From: colin chariandy <cchariandy at yahoo.ca>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:40:21
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; <glmiller3 at suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.


Yes.

I can't find by physical inspection any "wacked out servos" or other issues 
that might cause increased current load on the regulator. So....I'm trying 
to find the typical (or average) current that should be seen at any moment 
(instant) on a meter in-line with the regulator. Then I'll run my set-up and 
compare. If I'm in the ball park (less than 1A based on a couple of inputs 
so far) then the problem is not related to "wacked out" servos, binding etc.

Colin

--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org, glmiller3 at suddenlink.net
Received: Monday, April 27, 2009, 3:25 PM


 Average current is not the same as instantaneous current, unless the only 
current being drawn was just for that single instant in time. Anyway, I will 
repeat, with an added quailifer, for the sake of understanding for where to 
look to help you solve the problem:

If you are using a JACCIO, Tech-Aero, or whatever regulator in a pattern 
setup, even with a YS CDI on a shared output, and if you find that you need 
a heat sink, then:


Something Else Is Wrong. Check your setup for binding linkages, stiff 
hinges, whacked out servos, whatever.

Seriously, check your setup, OK? Just trying to help here.

Regards
Ed


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 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:32:54 -0700
From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; glmiller3 at suddenlink.net
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.



Actually, if you consumed 200mAhr in 0.25hrs, then your average 
(instantaneous) current was 800mA.

Colin.

--- On Mon, 4/27/09, glmiller3 at suddenlink.net <glmiller3 at suddenlink.net> 
wrote:

From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net <glmiller3 at suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Cc: "colin chariandy" <cchariandy at yahoo.ca>
Received: Monday, April 27, 2009, 12:34 PM


Colin,

I'm running a different ignition system, but total consumption radio and 
ignition) for an entire 15 minute flight is about 200 mah..200 X4 = 800 
milliamps for an hour= 0.8 amps per hour . So the instantaneous current 
shouldn't be much.

G

---- colin chariandy <cchariandy at yahoo.ca 
<http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca> > wrote:

=============
Does anyone know what the current consumption should be at idle/run-up for a 
typical YS170/Hyde/all digital servos installation?

I'll stick a Watt's Up meter in there to see how much I'm pulling after the 
regulator.

Jim, what's the current limit for continuous operation and spike/inrush for 
your regulator?

Colin.

--- On Sun, 4/26/09, James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com 
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From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com 
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR DSM glitch - trouble-shooting.
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<http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca> , 
"General discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
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I don't believe a bad battery could cause the engine to rev up unless your 
battery failsafe isn't set properly. Make sure it is.


The first thing I would look at is the possibility that the throttle servo 
is stalled at low speed. That could be pulling the battery/voltage regulator 
voltage down and it could recover after you started to throttle up and 
removed the heavy load.


Finally I would run a one amp discharge test on the battery after it is 
fully charged to see if the battery is near its original capacity. The best 
way to do this is to plot the voltage vs. time taking readings every 5 to 10 
minutes.


Hope this helps. Let us know what you find.


Jim





On Apr 25, 2009, at 4:30 PM, cchariandy at yahoo.ca 
<http://ca.mc313.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cchariandy@yahoo.ca>  wrote:







I had a close call today with my R921 Rx in an Integral.

I noticed on taxi out that the engine rev'd up and quickly back down without 
any command. At first I thought I must have bumped the stick by accident. 
Then just before take-off there was no responce from the throttle for a 
second or two then it was back. I thought the 170 may have loaded up a 
little and didnt respond. It did that one more time before I aborted the 
flight. However, I could'nt reproduce the problem in the pits.

Before powering down, I checked for holds or fades on the data logger - nil.

Battery voltage droped from 8.2V to 7.8V and 7.6 under 1A load. When I 
re-charged it took 350mA and I was only on for 3-4 mins.

Now...I did accidentally run the battery down to like 5V during winter but 
it did eventually recharge.

I'm using a Jaccio perfect switch/6V regulator, Jaccio 2000mAHr (1 season



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