[NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls
John Pavlick
jpavlick at idseng.com
Tue Sep 23 10:41:45 AKDT 2008
Shh. Now you gave away my other secret. And all this time I thought it was because I was becoming a better pilot. :( Hey - nobody ever said this had to be fair! VBG
John Pavlick
--- On Tue, 9/23/08, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 5:40 PM
I think Black Magic airplanes should be barred from competition. It
is too easy to get high scores on spins, because they stop spinning
immediately after the rudder/elevator controls are neutralized.
That's just not fair.
Ron VP
On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:16 PM, John Pavlick wrote:
> Yeah but if you REALLY want to make sure you get a 9.5 (like I did)
> you have to be flying a Black Magic! LOL
>
> John Pavlick
>
> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> From: JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls
> To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 4:38 PM
>
> Try leading with the elevator first for '9.5's', or like my
'9'
> snaps, just go to the corners at the same time.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:24 PM
> To: aabdu at sbcglobal.net; General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls
>
> Ah..ha, just as I suspected. The conversation got out of hand, but
> sure is enjoyable reading.
> Obviously, my snap roll technique was flawed and I can't wait for
> flying tonight so I can work on the improvements.
>
> Thanks guys
> bw
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Anthony Abdullah
> <aabdu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I like that idea!! The rudder could even be mixed to low throttle
> so each half moves in opposite directions for downline braking, or
> would that just cause the plane to spin, which could also be cool.
>
> --- On Tue, 9/23/08, rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
wrote:
> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls
> To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 11:30 AM
>
>
> Woa Ed....A one piece rudder wouldn't move much at all so how could
> it scrape the bench....who are you trying to chide?? That gives me
> an idea....maybe we should build elevators as 1 piece and rudders
> as 2 piece. Split rudders will eliminate any belly or canopy
> pitching. If each half was driven with a separate servo on separate
> channels, they might be programmed to move differentially and
> eliminate roll couple also. QED!! Just in case you forgot to trim
> your triangle, this is a simpler shearing of the hair Matt -----
> Original Message----- From: krishlan fitzsimmons
> <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 1:46 am
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls Did you put the elevator
> upside down Ed? You have to make sure you put the non scraping side
> down.. Chris --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Ed Alt
> <ed_alt at hotmail.com> wrote: From: Ed Alt
> <ed_alt at hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap
> rolls To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Monday, September 22, 2008,
> 10:03 PM I just tried that. Something doesn't look exactly right
> and the elevator is scraping the workbench now. What am I doing
> wrong? Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: JShulman To:
> General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 11:30
> PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls swap rudder with
> elevator Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com
> www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original
> Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Bob
> Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:24 AM To: General
> pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap rolls I'm
> probably opening this up for lots of discussion, but what is the
> correct technique for a snap? For an inside snap, I apply rudder
> a fraction before (same direction) aileron and up elevator. For an
> outside snap, I apply rudder a fraction before opposite aileron and
> down elevator. Problem is, I watch the big boys do snaps on my
> TOC videos and mine look so raggedy-ass.
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