[NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about

[Mark Atwood]

Gray,

I think the market IS there.  When I¹ve spoken to Ed in the past, he
actually has designed new lay-ups to make more ES gear, the problem is
opportunity cost.  I believe ALL of his time, and then some,  is being spent
doing composite work for larger commercial ventures.  Simple said, the ES
gear were profitable, just not as profitable as the other work he has in
front of him.

Personally, I¹d pay the $100 if I had to.  The ES gear are easily 4oz
lighter than the Comp Arf Integral gear, and functionally as strong (Though
I think I could use the Integral gear on the end of a jack hammer with
success).  

Right now there is not really a good gear choice on the market (that I¹m
aware of)

-M


On 10/22/08 1:32 PM, "Gray E Fowler" <gfowler at raytheon.com> wrote:

> 
> Interesting about the need for landing gear. Lance and I from AeroSlave have
> conteplated making gear. Personnally I have an ES and we chose not design and
> fab CF gear because the ES was a good price, good weight.  I was unaware the
> ES has ceased making the gear. If I had to guess ES stopped due to not enough
> money to be made, probably due to the people wanting replacements due to
> breaking or just not enough profit margin at $75.
> I have looked at many different types of CF gear and the one thing they all
> had in common was some type of design flaw. These various flaws were a result
> of composite design ignorance or, a tough choice that had to be made to keep
> fab costs low.  So the question is...how much would a pattern dude pay for a
> lightweight CF landing gear that would never break under normal use? It can be
> done, but is the market there?
> 
> $100 ? 
> $150 ? 
> $175 ? 
> 
> I would guess that a majority will choke on a $100 cost, and obviously, a $75
> price tag (ES) is not sustainable as a business.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gray Fowler
> Senior Principal Chemical Engineer
> Radomes and Specialty Apertures
> Technical Staff Composites Engineering
> Raytheon 
> 
> 
> Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
> Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 10/22/2008 11:44 AM
> Please respond to
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> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow...
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> 
> 
> Concur on the landing gear.  Big hole was left when ES stopped producing
> gears.
> 
> Jon Lowe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Atwood <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM
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> 
> Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're
> still going to be able to get the gator stuff).
> 
> 
> On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to
>> > practice.
>> > 
>> > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an
>> F3A
>> > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with
>> > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs.
>> > 
>> > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the
>> least,
>> > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see
>> > what we can do.
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > Jason
>> > www.jasonshulman.com
>> > www.shulmanaviation.com
>> > www.composite-arf.com
>> > 
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