[NSRCA-discussion] FAI flight time rule

[Keith Hoard]

Where can I find a definition of what constitutes "hot-dogging"??

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:52 AM, george w. kennie <geobet at gis.net> wrote:

>  Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,........Sounds like not even a penalty for
> "hot-dogging" after the final maneuver !  ARE YOU SURE , Troy ?????????
>
> Me
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Troy Newman <troy at troynewman.net>
> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:34 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI flight time rule
>
> The penalty for going over time is all scored figures *after* time has
> elapsed get a score of zero. The flight is *not* a zero...Just those
> figures not completed.
>
> SO once you exit the box all figures are complete....If you are still not
> on the ground there would be no penalty per the rules even if 8mins has
> expired
>
> Only if you were not "out of the box" yet when the time expired you would
> get zeros on all figures not completed.
>
> Which by the way in F3A you are not required to call entering or leaving
> the box. So if you complete the last figure and have the 15meter of straight
> flight wings level...you are done....After than you can take as much time as
> you like to land and that would even include go arounds...the rule doesn't
> say you can't and there is no penalty for it. The landing score is gone so
> you didn't violate the landing sequence. Before a go around was a zero score
> because it didn't follow the landing sequence. There is no more landing
> sequence. Even applying the AMA rule for extra passes because the FAI book
> is silent you could not zero any of the figures, as the AMA rules state the
> next maneuver gets a zero. Since all maneuvers are already scored there is
> nothing to zero and you can't go backwards into the sequence and start
> taking zeros on figures completed properly under the rules.
>
>
> Troy Newman
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:52 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI flight time rule
>
>  Jeff,
>
>
>
> 10 minutes for schedules with 23 maneuvers is not much different than 8
> minutes for schedules with 19 maneuvers (including takeoff and landing).
>  With the older P schedule, it was not difficult to exceed 10 minutes if the
> takeoff and landing sequences were very large and slow (1 minute for takeoff
> seq, 45 sec to land – pretty easy to save 30 seconds on these alone), and
> the sequence was big and relaxed.  Now, the Prelim sequences are 19
> maneuvers (as are the finals sequences) – which means about 90 seconds less
> airtime – so dropping the clock from 10 to 8 minutes is not a biggy.
>
>
>
> My understanding is that the Prelim sequences were shorted to shorten the
> duration of the Prelims at the Worlds – 2 minutes x 4 rounds x 100 pilots
> makes a huge difference.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dave Lockhart
>
> DaveL322 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Hill
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:33 PM
> *To:* NSRCA Mailing List
> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] FAI flight time rule
>
>
>
> While reading up on the new FAI rules I came upon the following paragraphs
> regarding flight time:
>
>
>
> from Section 5.1.11
>
> If there is a frequency conflict, the competitor must be allowed a maximum
> of one
>
> minute for a radio check before the start of the 3 minute starting time.
> The timer will audibly notify
>
> the competitor when the minute is finished and immediately start timing the
> 3-minutes starting time.
>
>
>
> The starting time ceases when the model aircraft commences its take-off
> roll. The timing device is re-started when
>
> the model aircraft commences its take-off roll, and time will stop when the
> model aircraft first
>
> touches the runway after completion of the flight. The total flight time
> allowed is 8 minutes.
>
>
>
> from Section 5.1.12
>
>  The competitor has eight minutes to complete the flight; timing to start
> when the flight line
>
> official gives the signal to the competitor to start his model aircraft
> and ending when the model
>
> aircraft first touches the runway after completing the flight.* *
>
>
>
> 5.1.11 seems to say that the competitor gets 8 minutes from the time the TO
> roll starts. 5.1.12 says the competitor gets 8 minutes from the time s/he is
> told to start the model aircraft.
>
>
>
> If it is 8 minutes total that seems short to me because someone could spend
> 3 minutes of the time getting the engine started and only have 5 for the
> flight. I know sequences are shorter now, but, we've had pilots exceed 10
> minutes at the Nats so I would think 2 fewer minutes would make even the
> shortest sequences tough to do.
>
>
>
> Any rules gurus out there want to comment? Perhaps electric fliers are
> getting a break after losing out on the batteries-as-fuel issue.
>
>
>
> Jeff Hill
>
>
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Keith Hoard
Collierville, TN
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