[NSRCA-discussion] Off topic: independence day

Wed Jul 9 13:54:01 AKDT 2008

"Since, in the latest vote on rule changes, RCA-09-3 failed, we need to
train judges that 1. The first radius does not set the standard"

I sincerely hope prior training was not contrary to the above?  It has never
been a rule (in AMA) that the 1st radii is the standard for the maneuver -
and it never should be!!  When 7 radii in a square 8 are the same, and 1 is
different - it should be painfully obvious which radii is to be downgraded.
FAI has screwed up making the 1st radii the standard for the maneuver - no
need for AMA to blindly follow that error (or any others - ie, AMA rules
should never include process or procedure to automatically adopt anything
from FAI - AMA can always choose to copy or follow FAI).

Noting every single error and element in complex maneuvers is not easy (nor
is flying them easy).  And just like every pilot is not capable of every
maneuver, not every judge is going to catch all errors all the time.  This
is a competitive event, and for the both the pilot and the just, there is
only 1 that is the best.  And in both cases, the "best" is probably the one
with the "best" combination of talent, hardwork, practice, and training.  I
see no need to either dumb down the maneuvers or dumb down the judging
criteria to blur the distinction between the best and 2nd best - seems quite
contrary to the goal in pattern of perfect maneuvers.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:36 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off topic: independence day

I wonder how many judges are able to do all those steps in  
determining and recording a score before the next maneuver starts.   
Remember, many of these judges are the ones who can't write down a  
score without looking away from the airplane and looking down at the  
scoresheet.

Ron VP

On Jul 9, 2008, at 9:31 AM, Joe Dunnaway wrote:

> It's nothing different than what we have been doing.
>
> Joe Dunnaway
>
> Ron Van Putte wrote:
>> Yeah, lets quit talking about that.  Plus, let's not talk about  
>> spins and snaps.  Let's talk about how to judge the eight  
>> different radii in the Square Horizontal Eight.  Since, in the  
>> latest vote on rule changes, RCA-09-3 failed, we need to train  
>> judges that 1. The first radius does not set the standard,   2.   
>> They have to decide what radius represents most of the radii in  
>> the maneuver,  3.  They must determine how each radius deviates  
>> from this standard and assign a downgrade,  4.  They then must add  
>> up all the downgrades and subtract the sum of the downgrades from  
>> 10 and 5.  They must write the score down on the scoresheet before  
>> the airplane enters the next maneuver.  Nothing to it; it just  
>> takes a little training.
>>
>> Ron VP
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2008, at 10:41 PM, Wayne Galligan wrote:
>>
>>> Now we are back to the driveway, parkway thing huh?
>>>
>>> WG
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Keith Hoard
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:50 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off topic: independence day
>>>
>>> "Then I stopped in the middle of the road and went outside began  
>>> yelling at people to 'get the hell out of my driveway!!!' . . ."
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Wayne Galligan  
>>> <wgalligan at att.net> wrote:
>>> Actually Steven Wright went home one night and put the key in the  
>>> door to the house to open it and it started.... so he drove it  
>>> around the block.
>>>
>>> WG
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tim Taylor
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off topic: independence day
>>>
>>> Steven Wright not Carlin
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>>> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Off topic: independence day
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 3:08 PM
>>>
>>> Yeah, but as George Carlin once asked, "Why do we drive on the  
>>> parkway and park on the driveway?" Ron VP On Jul 7, 2008, at  
>>> 12:54 PM, Anthony Abdullah wrote: > Particularly considering a  
>>> bra holds a pair of... Well, you know > what I am getting at. > >  
>>> Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com> wrote: > I'm still waiting for  
>>> them to burn pantys. > > BTW, how come is it a "pair of pantys"  
>>> but only "one bra"??? > > Bob R > > --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Del  
>>> <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote: > Hmmm `~ brings back memories  
>>> when women insisted on burning their > bra's... ~~ I never  
>>> complained~~ just raised my eyelids for closer > observation..  
>>> <g> > > Del > > ps ~~ realize it may be an age related comment ..  
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