[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Mon Dec 15 15:55:51 AKST 2008

Back around the same time someone in the NE was trying a "large" 
airplane.  I think he called it the Big E.  maybe it was late 80's.  
Just not enough power available, but eventually all of the planes got to 
that size :)
Stuart

Verne Koester wrote:
> Ivan Kristenesen's Summit II was the first USA-produced plane to have 
> plug-in wings. Dave Scully produced those at his company called Aero 
> Composites. There were so many innovations coming out of that shop 
> that it's difficult to remember them all. Dean Koger's belt drive 
> Vortex with a hand-carved 17" prop came out of Scully's skunkworks. 
> The plane had a piped .61 Webra Speed going flat out at 15,000 rpm 
> turning the 17" prop at about 7000 or so rpm. Weirdest sounding 
> combination of simultaneous high and low pitched sounds I've ever heard.
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> Dave von Linsowe's USA Star was the first 1.20 - 4-stroke size plane 
> to be campaigned by a top pilot and he flew it to 3rd place in World's 
> sometime around 1993.  It was condsidered so huge at the time that Don 
> Lowe dubbed it the "Monocote Overcast". Everything changed to bigger 
> after that.
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> Innovation is the operative word that makes a plane really stand out. 
> In recent times, Jason Shulman set the world on it's ear when he 
> showed up at the World's with the first competetive electric plane. I 
> say competetive, because it had been tried before in the mid-90's with 
> dismal results. Back then, the weight of 3 dozen or so nicads to power 
> the plane was too much weight for the plane to be competetive.
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: <adriancwong at earthlink.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:24 PM
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>> Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
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>>> From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>>> Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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>>> Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) 
>>> , and
>>> one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog 
>>> Hog,
>>> (note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  
>>> Good
>>> flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't 
>>> compare to
>>> the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the 
>>> big deal
>>> is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure 
>>> revolutionized the
>>> contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  
>>> Period.
>>>
>>> Bill Glaze
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>>> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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>>>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  
>>>> Everything up
>>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. 
>>>> At one
>>>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit,
>>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really
>>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 
>>>> 7 and
>>>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave 
>>>> Brown, Mike
>>>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, 
>>>> because
>>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style 
>>>> airplanes.
>>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>>>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and
>>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>>>
>>>> Jon Lowe
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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>>>> Kaos
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>>>> Bob Kane
>>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
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>>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Monda
>>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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>>>> Hi Guys,
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>>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal 
>>>> pattern
>>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
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>>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>>>> years, Iʼd say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
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>>>> Jim W.
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