[NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

Mon Dec 15 15:43:56 AKST 2008

Almost forgot to mention Wayne Ulery in talking about Koger's Vortex. As I 
recall, Wayne designed and built the belt drive system that made it all go 
in Scully's shop. I recall talking with him about it one time and marvelling 
at his engineering. He replied, saying, "aw, I'm just an old dirt farmer" in 
reference to his his very successful nursery business. "Dirt farmer", ya 
right. I'm sure his involvement in Qui Que's Yak series is just a fluke 
too....

Verne

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
To: <adriancwong at earthlink.net>; "General pattern discussion" 
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Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs

> Ivan Kristenesen's Summit II was the first USA-produced plane to have 
> plug-in wings. Dave Scully produced those at his company called Aero 
> Composites. There were so many innovations coming out of that shop that 
> it's difficult to remember them all. Dean Koger's belt drive Vortex with a 
> hand-carved 17" prop came out of Scully's skunkworks. The plane had a 
> piped .61 Webra Speed going flat out at 15,000 rpm turning the 17" prop at 
> about 7000 or so rpm. Weirdest sounding combination of simultaneous high 
> and low pitched sounds I've ever heard.
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> Dave von Linsowe's USA Star was the first 1.20 - 4-stroke size plane to be 
> campaigned by a top pilot and he flew it to 3rd place in World's sometime 
> around 1993.  It was condsidered so huge at the time that Don Lowe dubbed 
> it the "Monocote Overcast". Everything changed to bigger after that.
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> Innovation is the operative word that makes a plane really stand out. In 
> recent times, Jason Shulman set the world on it's ear when he showed up at 
> the World's with the first competetive electric plane. I say competetive, 
> because it had been tried before in the mid-90's with dismal results. Back 
> then, the weight of 3 dozen or so nicads to power the plane was too much 
> weight for the plane to be competetive.
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>> Phil Kraft's Kwik Fli
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>>>From: billglaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>>>Sent: Dec 15, 2008 3:02 PM
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>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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>>>Just before the Astro Hog, (designed by a friend of mine, Fred Dunn) , 
>>>and
>>>one of which I am currently building),there was Howard Bonner's Smog Hog,
>>>(note the name similarity) which won the 1956 Nationals in Dallas.  Good
>>>flying airplane, for it's time, (good enough to win) but couldn't compare 
>>>to
>>>the Astro Hog, of which Fred always said:  "I don't know what the big 
>>>deal
>>>is; it's just a low-wing Smog Hog."  Maybe.  But, it sure revolutionized 
>>>the
>>>contest world, at the time.  If you wanted to win, you had one.  Period.
>>>
>>>Bill Glaze
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Jon Lowe" <jonlowe at aol.com>
>>>To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:41 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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>>>> Astro Hog- 1st really successful low wing pattern plane.  Everything up
>>>> until then had been a high wing airplane.
>>>> Orion- by Ed Kasmirski  first really high performance pattern plane
>>>> Taurus- arguably one of the most built pattern planes of all times. At 
>>>> one
>>>> point, everyone had built a "modified" Taurus.  The Top Flight kit,
>>>> excellent for its day, helped to make it popular.
>>>> The Phoenix 1-8 series.  Yeah, I know I'm prejudiced, but it really
>>>> established moderately swept wings as a standard. The Phoenix 5, 6, 7 
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>>>> 8's were flown by most of the great US flyers, including Dave Brown, 
>>>> Mike
>>>> McConville, and others. I'm not including the Phoenix 9 and 10, because
>>>> they were never kitted, and were very early turn around style 
>>>> airplanes.
>>>> I have a 9, and my dad has the only 10 ever built.
>>>> I have to agree with the Kaos.  It was "everymans" pattern plane, and
>>>> still is today with Tower Hobbies .46 style version.
>>>>
>>>> Jon Lowe
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 1:00 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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>>>> Bob Kane
>>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
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>>>> From: "Woodward, Jim (US SSA)" <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Sent: Monda
>>>> y, December 15, 2008 11:23:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Breakthrough Pattern plane designs
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>>>> Hi Guys,
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>>>> What do you think were some of the most breakthrough or pivotal pattern
>>>> designs? When I started there the Prophecy was top dog. A couple
>>>> years later the Smaragd was designed. I see a lot of planes have been
>>>> designed off the Smaragd platform. I think the PassPort is a heck of a
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>>>> What do you guys think have been some break-out designs over the
>>>> years that have transformed pattern aircraft design? In the last nine
>>>> years, Iʼd say the Smaragd was the most transformational plane.
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>>>> Thanks,
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>>>> Jim W.
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