[NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling

nathanking at cox.net nathanking at cox.net
Tue Aug 12 17:56:17 AKDT 2008 

Febreze......Seriously. There is a slight odor even after the airplane is gone. It typically lasts for the rest of that day. I carry a little travel sized Febreze sprayer in my glove compartment for such "emergencies."


---- Tim Taylor <timsautopro at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Yeah a few I've had just plain stunk. :)
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/12/08, Del <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Del <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008, 6:40 PM
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> Pattern Planes smell? 
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> hauling
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> You guys that carry your fuel planes inside the vehicle how do you deal with the smell? I generally keep my equipment in my truck unless it needs repair and when I open the hatch the odor is pretty strong.
> My next hauler I was thinking of a van type vehicle but not sure I want to smell my plane all the time.
> Dowayne
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> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Chad Northeast
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:14 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
>  
> 
> Yes, I liked them as well in my previous Matrix, but some genious at Toyota decided that no slip rubber pads were just as good at restraining cargo....?
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> I will arrive at the field in Lindsay on the 29th sometime with Ivan in his motorhome, so see you then.
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>  
> 
> Chad
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pascoe,Tim [ Burlington ]" <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
> Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:10 am
> Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
> To: chad at f3acanada.org, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> > That’s really too bad. It’s a great feature in my ’07 that I’ve 
> > always thought would be a benefit in a lot of other vehicles as 
> > well. See you in Lindsay at the trials…….
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
> > discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Chad Northeast
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:59 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hi Tim,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Unfortunately the movable tie downs on the back of the rear 
> > seats are gone in the '09 models.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Chad
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pascoe,Tim [ Burlington ]" <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
> > Date: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:27 am
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > > I have a Matrix, and it does indeed hold a full 2M with plug-
> > in 
> > > wings. Front passenger seat folds down flat (forward) and has 
> > a 
> > > handy little plastic tray on the back to catch the oil drips 
> > :) 
> > > Back seats also fold down flat individually, and the cargo 
> > area 
> > > and back of the seats are plastic as well. Another nice little 
> > > feature is the set of moveable tie-downs in tracks running 
> > back 
> > > to front in the cargo area, to secure an airplane stand. You 
> > can 
> > > also put the plane in with a passenger, but you have to watch 
> > > the prop between the front seats when you shoulder check!
> > > 
> > > Tim Pascoe 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
> > > discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:10 AM
> > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; timsautopro at yahoo.com
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
> > > 
> > > Is anyone looking at the Toyota Matrix as a potential 
> > candidate? 
> > > Seems 
> > > that it should have enough room for one 2 meter model  
> > > (plug in wings 
> > > only), if the front seat lays down flat. I wanted to look at 
> > > this as an 
> > > alternative to the grand caravan I'm driving now, assuming the 
> > > mileage 
> > > was 50% better.
> > > 
> > > The PT Cruiser definitely will hold a full 2 meter. My friend 
> > in 
> > > FLA 
> > > used one for several years. With the 4-banger, he was getting 
> > > around 30 
> > > mpg.
> > > 
> > > I had a Ford Windstar with the 3.8 and as Tim mentioned, it 
> > blew 
> > > its 
> > > gasket at around 75K. Very distasteful experience.
> > > 
> > > MattK
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
> > > To: timsautopro at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion 
> > > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:02 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
> > > 
> > > So if I get another one, I might achieve a 20% success 
> > rate?  
> > > Thanks 
> > > anyhow!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:29:34 -0700
> > > From: timsautopro at yahoo.com
> > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ed, I work on these things everyday, if you buy a mit don't 
> > say 
> > > I 
> > > didn't warn you. :)
> > >  
> > > Dave, take a pencil eraser and clean the contacts on the 
> > doors, 
> > > btw has 
> > > it blown the head gaskets yet? If not it most likely doesn't 
> > > have the 
> > > 3.8 engine.
> > >  
> > >  
> > > By far the Scaryvans give far less trouble20than any other 
> > > minivan in 
> > > the same class. Look at it this way, a mommymobile isn't 
> > > anything 
> > > different than a pickup with a camper shell.
> > >  
> > > Tim
> > > 
> > > --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > From: Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
> > > To: "' General pattern discussion '" 
> > > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:13 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I use a Ford Windstar to carry mine and as much as I thought I 
> > > would 
> > > dislike a minivan I got to say I like it a lot. I’ve had some 
> > > electrical issues too but limited to interior lights, door 
> > > locks, and 
> > > power windows. I think it’s related to the sensors that tell 
> > the 
> > > computer when all the doors are closed. Mines a 1999 model so 
> > > all that 
> > > electrical stuff is getting kinda aged now. But with 150K it 
> > > still runs 
> > > great, burns no oil and gets 22-26 mpg depending on how heavy 
> > > the foot 
> > > is. I’ll get another one when it dies. Carries 2 planes, gear, 
> > > luggage 
> > > for my wife & I, tent, cooler, and lounge chairs to contest easily.
> > > Dave Burton
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > Ed Alt
> > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:43 PM
> > > To: jpavlick at idseng.com; General pattern discussion
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > All valid points.  The on
> > > e thing I can't stand about the Dodge stuff 
> > > though, and I'm on my 4th and last one now, is that they 
> > > basically 
> > > can't get the electrical gremlins out of the car.  Every 
> > one of 
> > > mine 
> > > has acted as if it is haunted in some way.  I can explain 
> > each 
> > > of the 
> > > unique behaviors that my 4 Caravan's have had, but it just 
> > > shouldn't be 
> > > so.  It's more stuff than is worth going into here, but 
> > don't 
> > > say I 
> > > didn't warn you.  You get what you pay for.  Next 
> > time, I'm 
> > > looking at 
> > > a Mitsubishi.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:36:59 -0700
> > > From: jpavlick at idseng.com
> > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Another vote for the Caravan. I can honestly say that I love 
> > > mine too. 
> > > The mileage figures everyone is claiming are right on. On 
> > > my trip to 
> > > the NATs this year I saw 24 - 26 with the A/C on (and I wasn't 
> > > exactly 
> > > driving at the speed limit). Around town you get about 18. 
> > > PLENTY of 
> > > room. I have Stow-N-Go on mine so I can fold the seats right 
> > > into the 
> > > floor. When you do this you can get full 8' sheets of plywood 
> > > inside 
> > > the van with the hatch closed.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Add a hitch and you can tow an 18' big block Olds powered Jet 
> > > boat. Try 
> > > that with a Prius!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > As for the "soccer mom" image - just ride your Harley to work 
> > a 
> > > few 
> > > days a week to make up for it! LOL
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > John Pavlick
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Snaproll4 at aol.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jim,
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >       I have the Grand 
> > Caravan.  Two 2 meter planes are not a 
> > > problem 
> > > even with a tent, chair and extra tool boxes.  I never 
> > thought 
> > > that I 
> > > would drive a mini van, but it is actually a pretty nice 
> > vehicle 
> > > to 
> > > drive all the time.  However,  the kids I work with 
> > call it the 
> > > " loser 
> > > cruiser".  It's not real sexy,  but you get to haul 
> > stuff from 
> > > Home 
> > > Depot too.  Highway mileage is 26 with the A/C on.  
> > It's a 
> > > better value 
> > > than the Town and Country(but not as nice).
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a message dated 8/11/2008 4:02:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight 
> > Time, 
> > > jim.woodward at baesystems.com writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Guys,
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I commute about 75 miles a day, then do about 100 miles of 
> > > driving a 
> > > weekend for practice so I am on the road a lot.  I am 
> > thinking 
> > > to down 
> > > sizing one of my cars.  At this point, I’m thinking 
> > about 
> > > these three:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Scion XB, 28, hwy mileage
> > > 
> > > Honda Fit, 34, hwy mileage
> > > 
> > > Chevy HHR, 30 , hwy mileage
> > > 
> > > $ these around $16,000
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Here is a nice website that allows you to do car by car 
> > > comparisons.  
> > > 
> > http://scionbuyersguide.theautochannel.com/compare_details.php?car1=21667&car2=22687&car3=22711&car4=> 
> > > =0
> > > D
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > OR – is something like the Dodge Grand Caravan the way do 
> > go, 
> > > and 
> > > that is the biggest bang for the buck? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Any ideas would be great. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Jim
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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