[NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling

Tue Aug 12 06:10:30 AKDT 2008

Is anyone looking at the Toyota Matrix as a potential candidate? Seems 
that it should have enough room for one 2 meter model  (plug in wings 
only), if the front seat lays down flat. I wanted to look at this as an 
alternative to the grand caravan I'm driving now, assuming the mileage 
was 50% better.

The PT Cruiser definitely will hold a full 2 meter. My friend in FLA 
used one for several years. With the 4-banger, he was getting around 30 
mpg.

I had a Ford Windstar with the 3.8 and as Tim mentioned, it blew its 
gasket at around 75K. Very distasteful experience.

MattK

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
To: timsautopro at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion 
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:02 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling

So if I get another one, I might achieve a 20% success rate?  Thanks 
anyhow!

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:29:34 -0700
From: timsautopro at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling

Ed, I work on these things everyday, if you buy a mit don't say I 
didn't warn you. :)

Dave, take a pencil eraser and clean the contacts on the doors, btw has 
it blown the head gaskets yet? If not it most likely doesn't have the 
3.8 engine.

By far the Scaryvans give far less trouble20than any other minivan in 
the same class. Look at it this way, a mommymobile isn't anything 
different than a pickup with a camper shell.

Tim

--- On Mon, 8/11/08, Dave Burton &lt;burtona at atmc.net&gt; wrote:

From: Dave Burton &lt;burtona at atmc.net&gt;
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling
To: "'General pattern discussion'" 
&lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:13 PM

I use a Ford Windstar to carry mine and as much as I thought I would 
dislike a minivan I got to say I like it a lot. I’ve had some 
electrical issues too but limited to interior lights, door locks, and 
power windows. I think it’s related to the sensors that tell the 
computer when all the doors are closed. Mines a 1999 model so all that 
electrical stuff is getting kinda aged now. But with 150K it still runs 
great, burns no oil and gets 22-26 mpg depending on how heavy the foot 
is. I’ll get another one when it dies. Carries 2 planes, gear, luggage 
for my wife & I, tent, cooler, and lounge chairs to contest easily.
Dave Burton

 From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:43 PM
To: jpavlick at idseng.com; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling

All valid points.  The on
e thing I can't stand about the Dodge stuff 
though, and I'm on my 4th and last one now, is that they basically 
can't get the electrical gremlins out of the car.  Every one of mine 
has acted as if it is haunted in some way.  I can explain each of the 
unique behaviors that my 4 Caravan's have had, but it just shouldn't be 
so.  It's more stuff than is worth going into here, but don't say I 
didn't warn you.  You get what you pay for.  Next time, I'm looking at 
a Mitsubishi.

Ed

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:36:59 -0700
From: jpavlick at idseng.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling

Another vote for the Caravan. I can honestly say that I love mine too. 
The mileage figures everyone is claiming are right on. On my trip to 
the NATs this year I saw 24 - 26 with the A/C on (and I wasn't exactly 
driving at the speed limit). Around town you get about 18. PLENTY of 
room. I have Stow-N-Go on mine so I can fold the seats right into the 
floor. When you do this you can get full 8' sheets of plywood inside 
the van with the hatch closed.

Add a hitch and you can tow an 18' big block Olds powered Jet boat. Try 
that with a Prius!

As for the "soccer mom" image - just ride your Harley to work a few 
days a week to make up for it! LOL

John Pavlick

Snaproll4 at aol.com wrote:

Jim,

      I have the Grand Caravan.  Two 2 meter planes are not a problem 
even with a tent, chair and extra tool boxes.  I never thought that I 
would drive a mini van, but it is actually a pretty nice vehicle to 
drive all the time.  However,  the kids I work with call it the " loser 
cruiser".  It's not real sexy,  but you get to haul stuff from Home 
Depot too.  Highway mileage is 26 with the A/C on.  It's a better value 
than the Town and Country(but not as nice).

Steve

In a message dated 8/11/2008 4:02:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
jim.woodward at baesystems.com writes:

Hi Guys,

I commute about 75 miles a day, then do about 100 miles of driving a 
weekend for practice so I am on the road a lot.  I am thinking to down 
sizing one of my cars.  At this point, Iâ€™m thinking about these three:

Scion XB, 28, hwy mileage

Honda Fit, 34, hwy mileage

Chevy HHR, 30 , hwy mileage

$ these around $16,000

Here is a nice website that allows you to do car by car comparisons.  
http://scionbuyersguide.theautochannel.com/compare_details.php?car1=21667&amp;car2=22687&car3=22711&car4=

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OR â€“ is something like the Dodge Grand Caravan the way do go, and 
that is the biggest bang for the buck? 

Any ideas would be great. 

Thanks,

Jim

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