[NSRCA-discussion] Help with 12X

Tue Aug 5 19:43:07 AKDT 2008

I still use the gear switch to activate/disable the snap because I  
also use it as a cut/idle up switch.

Ron VP

On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:01 PM, Matthew Frederick wrote:

> LOL Jason, I was thinking the same thing... Back in the day snap  
> conditions were set up so that they weren't active when the gear  
> were down... I guess the glory days are gone...
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help with 12X
>
>
>> PLEASE make sure to put this on a switch that will inhibit the  
>> function during take-off and landing... something just doesn't sound
>> right if it were to be on all the time. Don't ask how I know...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.jasonshulman.com
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
>> glmiller3 at suddenlink.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:34 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help with 12X
>>
>>
>> Hi Troy,
>>
>> I was hoping to set up an elevator stick position switch that  
>> would trigger rudder, elevator and aileron deflections to create a
>> snap.  My thought was to have a "positive snap mode" and  a  
>> "negative snap mode" with up elevator of 90% triggering the positive
>> snap and down elevator of 90% triggering the negative snap.  This  
>> would ensure a "clean break" and a reproducible roll rate (given
>> consistent power/airspeed).  I would use these only for snap  
>> maneuvers so I wouldn't risk an unintentional snap....I don't usually
>> use any rate or mix switches, but I do fly heli's so I'm used to  
>> having different flight modes.
>>
>> I set up two stick position switches - one for up 90% and the  
>> other for down 90% elevator, then I went to the Snap function and
>> tried to activate a positive snap with switch one-- couldn't get  
>> the rudder to move by pulling the elevator....(I didn't put the
>> wings on to play with it).
>>
>> Thanks for your help!
>>
>> George
>> ---- Troy Newman <troy at troynewman.net> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> George,
>>
>> Not sure what you are trying to do here.
>>
>> Are you wanting Full Up elevator to move the ailerons and rudder  
>> to the
>> snap deflections?
>>
>> Or are you wanting your snap condition meaning different rates for
>> aileron elevator and rudder to be active when you are at full up
>> elevator? This requires you to still move the sticks but allows  
>> the rate
>> to change only when the elevator stick is moved pasta  certain point.
>>
>> I have a good bit of experience with the 12X and I can help you do
>> either one.
>>
>> Stick position switches are nothing more than another switch to  
>> choose.
>> You can create mixing programs that activate from the stick position
>> switch. You can also create symmetry in the stick switch so the  
>> switch
>> can activate as X% of up elevator and the same percentage of down
>> elevator also. Or you create two different stick switches one for  
>> the up
>> elevator side and one for the down elevator side. If you want the  
>> switch
>> to "flip values" at a different point in the sticks travel. The Snap
>> Roll program in the 12X appears to have a whole new set of stick
>> position switches but I have not played with them yet to see how they
>> work.
>>
>> I don't use the snap roll programs and actually have never used  
>> the one
>> in the 12X. I just now looked at the menu for the first time ever  
>> in my
>> TX.
>>
>> I can go setup a  model and play with it...probably only take a few
>> minutes to set it up to work the way you want.
>>
>> But if you tell me what you want to do I'll try to figure it out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Troy Newman
>> Team JR
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
>> glmiller3 at suddenlink.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 6:03 PM
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>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help with 12X
>>
>> Hello all out there in pattern land.  I just got a new JR 12X 2.4 and
>> have been playing with it a little in anticipation of converting my
>> planes from the 9303 to the new 12X.
>>
>> One function that is new to me with the 12X is what they call "stick
>> position switch" which sounds like what I hear the Futaba guys  
>> calling
>> "flight conditions".  I was thinking of setting up a flight mode for
>> snaps that would allow me to trigger a positive snap with up elevator
>> movement and an negative snap with down elevator movement......I  
>> think
>> that this would be two different flight modes - but I can't get the
>> "switch position" function to work.
>>
>> I'm hoping that Troy or some of the other JR guru's out there with  
>> more
>> experience than I have, can walk me through it.  I've set up the  
>> switch
>> positions in the System menu and I've activated the Snap Roll  
>> function
>> in the Function menu bur the elevator doesn't seem to Kick the
>> rudder/aileron as I thought I had programmed ....so clearly I've  
>> missed
>> something.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> George
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