[NSRCA-discussion] Park flyers for pattern practice?

Wed Apr 30 09:49:23 AKDT 2008

I love it Mike,........a cold shower now and then is probably a good idea.

I'm not saying they're no good, .......otherwize I wouldn't still be playing 
with them.  A while back I had pix of my Amp-trak on here and I scaled that 
down to just 30" WS and it's called the "Smalwundr".  It's only 12 oz. and I 
fly it all the time in substantial wind and everybody is amazed when I do 
sequences with it, but it doesn't track with a 40 size glow bird, but it's 
still fun.
G.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Hester" <kerlock at comcast.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park flyers for pattern practice?

> Well, I hate to throw cold water back atcha there Georgie, buuuuuttt... =)
>
> I'm betting you haven't actually seen one of Dean's foamies fly. It's
> tracking is uncanny. Yeah, flat foam....shouldn't work....but it does. 
> Don't
> ask me why, I don't know. Perfect? No, but better than most by a longshot.
>
> I have about 6 foamies, a Vanquish, a Hyperion 3Dluxe, a Sebart Katana and
> Sukhoi, and that Black Magic foamie outflies all of them except the 
> Vanquish
> in tracking. of course if you set it up super light for 3d, it will
> sacrifice some of this, but it depends on what you want it to do.
>
> Now sure you add a 15 mph wind and it gets hairy...that's simple physics.
> but they were playing with a couple of those things at the GMA contest in 
> a
> 20-25mph wind and having a blast!
>
> My inherent problem is I have a deep disrespect for foamies. I love them 
> and
> treat them like I hate them. Oh I can go all of about 30 seconds without
> cutting loose doing something nuts...then that foamie is getting broken. 
> It
> makes me do things one should not do to an airplane. I intentionally try 
> to
> see hw far I can push it until I go too far. I'll say Dean's are pretty
> resiliant in that regard. not indestructable by any means, but it seems to
> take more abuse to make it die a death worthy of a foamie.
>
> dean asked me to do some killer airbrush work on one....well, I haven't 
> done
> it yet because, well, I better give it to someone else if I do =) LOL
>
> Anyway, he originally asked for a 150 watt plane.....and only the Black
> Magic foamie fits that bill well that I know of, but there could be more.
> Most of the built up ones really need over 200 watts to fly pattern. 
> there's
> quite a few of Dean's foamies out there, just look and ask around. Heck if
> Mike Mueller agreed, must be somethin to it =)
>
> And uh....no I don't get anything out of it, I just like the thing and
> occasionally I can get Dean to cut me one out LOL
>
> -Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "george w. kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park flyers for pattern practice?
>
>
>>
>> Tom,
>> I don't want to throw a little cold water, buuuut........, I've built a
>> ton
>> of these 36"-40" flat foamies and it's been my experience that if you 
>> want
>> something to practice schedules with OUTDOORS you're never going to be
>> quite
>> happy with anything in this size range. The reasons are multiple. Most 
>> are
>> designed to yield dual performance capabilities, i.e., 3D & Sport.
>> Therefore
>> they all seem to have an abundance of area. With an abundance of area and
>> an
>> AUW of 16-20 oz. there's no way they can provide the tracking you want in
>> the wind because the wing loading is way too low. Great for hovering and
>> torque rolling indoors, but bouncy enough outside to keep you fighting 
>> for
>> any continuity of line.
>> What's needed is something a little larger with proportionally less wing
>> area and enough weight to get the aerodynamic stability that the correct
>> wing loading will provide.
>> I've built a couple of flat birds in the 48" range running 2&1/2 pounds
>> that
>> fly with the feel of a 40 size glow ship. They do however require larger
>> motors than the 36" stuff and really like 4 cell paks, but the rewards 
>> are
>> there.
>> Of course the Vanquish seems to combine all of these requirements and
>> though
>> I haven't flown one I've seen one flown in a contest in Advanced that
>> impressed me.
>> The Silvestri Katana appears to track very well also and with a 32 size
>> motor will vertical like a homesick angel.
>> There doesn't seem to really be a "best of both worlds" in the really
>> small
>> stuff.
>> G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tom Simes" <simestd at netexpress.com>
>> To: "NSRCA discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:42 PM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park flyers for pattern practice?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I would like to get a park flyer together that flies well enough to
>>> practice a bit with. At this point I'm mostly working on remembering to
>>> use the rudder - so the bar isn't too high, but something with minimal
>>> coupling would be nice.  Sizewise I'm thinking about something a
>>> bit bigger than a foamie, maybe ~150 watts, 3 cell 1000-1500mA?
>>>
>>> Anyone flying something similar you're happy with?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
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