[NSRCA-discussion] Park flyers for pattern practice?

Wed Apr 30 07:34:36 AKDT 2008

Well, I hate to throw cold water back atcha there Georgie, buuuuuttt... =)

I'm betting you haven't actually seen one of Dean's foamies fly. It's 
tracking is uncanny. Yeah, flat foam....shouldn't work....but it does. Don't 
ask me why, I don't know. Perfect? No, but better than most by a longshot.

I have about 6 foamies, a Vanquish, a Hyperion 3Dluxe, a Sebart Katana and 
Sukhoi, and that Black Magic foamie outflies all of them except the Vanquish 
in tracking. of course if you set it up super light for 3d, it will 
sacrifice some of this, but it depends on what you want it to do.

Now sure you add a 15 mph wind and it gets hairy...that's simple physics. 
but they were playing with a couple of those things at the GMA contest in a 
20-25mph wind and having a blast!

My inherent problem is I have a deep disrespect for foamies. I love them and 
treat them like I hate them. Oh I can go all of about 30 seconds without 
cutting loose doing something nuts...then that foamie is getting broken. It 
makes me do things one should not do to an airplane. I intentionally try to 
see hw far I can push it until I go too far. I'll say Dean's are pretty 
resiliant in that regard. not indestructable by any means, but it seems to 
take more abuse to make it die a death worthy of a foamie.

dean asked me to do some killer airbrush work on one....well, I haven't done 
it yet because, well, I better give it to someone else if I do =) LOL

Anyway, he originally asked for a 150 watt plane.....and only the Black 
Magic foamie fits that bill well that I know of, but there could be more. 
Most of the built up ones really need over 200 watts to fly pattern. there's 
quite a few of Dean's foamies out there, just look and ask around. Heck if 
Mike Mueller agreed, must be somethin to it =)

And uh....no I don't get anything out of it, I just like the thing and 
occasionally I can get Dean to cut me one out LOL

-Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "george w. kennie" <geobet at gis.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park flyers for pattern practice?

>
> Tom,
> I don't want to throw a little cold water, buuuut........, I've built a 
> ton
> of these 36"-40" flat foamies and it's been my experience that if you want
> something to practice schedules with OUTDOORS you're never going to be 
> quite
> happy with anything in this size range. The reasons are multiple. Most are
> designed to yield dual performance capabilities, i.e., 3D & Sport. 
> Therefore
> they all seem to have an abundance of area. With an abundance of area and 
> an
> AUW of 16-20 oz. there's no way they can provide the tracking you want in
> the wind because the wing loading is way too low. Great for hovering and
> torque rolling indoors, but bouncy enough outside to keep you fighting for
> any continuity of line.
> What's needed is something a little larger with proportionally less wing
> area and enough weight to get the aerodynamic stability that the correct
> wing loading will provide.
> I've built a couple of flat birds in the 48" range running 2&1/2 pounds 
> that
> fly with the feel of a 40 size glow ship. They do however require larger
> motors than the 36" stuff and really like 4 cell paks, but the rewards are
> there.
> Of course the Vanquish seems to combine all of these requirements and 
> though
> I haven't flown one I've seen one flown in a contest in Advanced that
> impressed me.
> The Silvestri Katana appears to track very well also and with a 32 size
> motor will vertical like a homesick angel.
> There doesn't seem to really be a "best of both worlds" in the really 
> small
> stuff.
> G.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Simes" <simestd at netexpress.com>
> To: "NSRCA discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:42 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park flyers for pattern practice?
>
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I would like to get a park flyer together that flies well enough to
>> practice a bit with. At this point I'm mostly working on remembering to
>> use the rudder - so the bar isn't too high, but something with minimal
>> coupling would be nice.  Sizewise I'm thinking about something a
>> bit bigger than a foamie, maybe ~150 watts, 3 cell 1000-1500mA?
>>
>> Anyone flying something similar you're happy with?
>>
>> Tom
>>
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