[NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab

Sat Oct 13 20:25:31 AKDT 2007

After watching this thread run it's course I think we can all agree at this 
point that maybe, just maybe the description of the obsessive, compulsive, 
anal "Pattern Pilot" known to many sport pilots is pretty accurate. <LOL>

John Pavlick
http://www.idseng.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab

> It'll be alright Jay, just remember to delete instead of open...but you
> can't, can you?  Your hoping someone will have something interesting to 
> say
> and you don't want to miss it<VBG>
>
> Ken
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>
>
>> This discussion is really getting old and stale!
>>
>> Jay Marshall
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lance Van
>> Nostrand
>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:13 AM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>
>> Or you could simply do the math.  I thought we had more than one engineer
>> in
>>
>> our group.  This took me less than 5 min to model but its been far more
>> enjoyable to read this "world is flat vs round" thread.  You'd think it
>> was
>> the dead of winter.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John Konneker" <jlkonn at hotmail.com>
>> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>
>>
>>> Sigh....
>>> With all due respect to everyone involved in this discussion.
>>> Let me suggest that you invest a $100 or so in a flight in a C-172 with
>>> an
>>> instructor.
>>> Pick a day when there is a good breeze, not gail!, and go for a flight.
>>> Ask him to fly up and down section lines, roads or whatever and
>>> demonstrate
>>> the winds effect on the airplane.
>>> Ask him to demonstrate the "auto wind correcting" ability of the
>>> airplane.
>>> <G>
>>> You'll probably have to ask him more than once after he gives you a
>>> couple
>>> blank stares.
>>> Set the heading bug to the wind direction so that no matter what the
>>> airplane heading you can see from which relative direction the wind is
>>> blowing.
>>> Just a suggestion...
>>> JLK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
>>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:37:07 -0500
>>>>
>>>>Hey Ron,
>>>>
>>>>Would I be correct in assuming your quote in parenthesis should read,
>>>>"During that flight, airplane "intended" heading and track will not be
>>>>the
>>>>same", or are you pointing out that a plane will "somewhat" crab, on 
>>>>it's
>>>>own, in a crosswind?
>>>>
>>>>BTW:  I like the white board and beer idea;-)
>>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Ron Lockhart" <ronlock at comcast.net>
>>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:16 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > If a pilot is flying to a specific point and points a trimmed 
>>>> > airplane
>>>> > directly at that point, and there is wind
>>>> > somwhat perpendicular to the intended flight track over the ground 
>>>> > the
>>>> > airplane will not get to that point.
>>>> > The airplane will get to a point down wind of the intended point.
>>>>(During
>>>> > that flight, airplane heading and
>>>> > track will not be the same.  There will be no wind hitting side of
>>>>plane.
>>>> > A
>>>> > yaw string on nose will be
>>>> > straight down fuse)     I suppose we just lost a few folks here....
>>>> > (sigh)
>>>>
>>>>All this would be a bunch easier with a white board and beer.  <VBG>
>>>> >
>>>> > Later,  Ron Lockhart
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
>>>> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:48 AM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Jim and all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Most of us realize the plane will do as you and others have
>>>> >> described,
>>>>my
>>>> >> only point in questioning this is...is it called "weathervaning"
>>>> >> while
>>>> > it's
>>>> >> in the air, or is it called "wind induced yaw or crab"?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best to you in your recovery.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ken
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "James Oddino" <joddino at socal.rr.com>
>>>> >> To: <alberji at charter.net>; "NSRCA Mailing List"
>>>> >> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:14 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   If it does, this is my
>>>> >> > definition of weathervaning.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I'm recovering from an emergency appendectomy so I'm depending on
>>>> >> > all
>>>> >> > you other guys to go try a cross wind stall turn with no rudder
>>>> >> > command tomorrow and report on your results.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Best Regards, Jim O
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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