[NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab

[Ken Thompson]

It'll be alright Jay, just remember to delete instead of open...but you 
can't, can you?  Your hoping someone will have something interesting to say 
and you don't want to miss it<VBG>

Ken
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab


> This discussion is really getting old and stale!
>
> Jay Marshall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lance Van
> Nostrand
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 10:13 AM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>
> Or you could simply do the math.  I thought we had more than one engineer 
> in
>
> our group.  This took me less than 5 min to model but its been far more
> enjoyable to read this "world is flat vs round" thread.  You'd think it 
> was
> the dead of winter.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Konneker" <jlkonn at hotmail.com>
> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>
>
>> Sigh....
>> With all due respect to everyone involved in this discussion.
>> Let me suggest that you invest a $100 or so in a flight in a C-172 with 
>> an
>> instructor.
>> Pick a day when there is a good breeze, not gail!, and go for a flight.
>> Ask him to fly up and down section lines, roads or whatever and
>> demonstrate
>> the winds effect on the airplane.
>> Ask him to demonstrate the "auto wind correcting" ability of the 
>> airplane.
>> <G>
>> You'll probably have to ask him more than once after he gives you a 
>> couple
>> blank stares.
>> Set the heading bug to the wind direction so that no matter what the
>> airplane heading you can see from which relative direction the wind is
>> blowing.
>> Just a suggestion...
>> JLK
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
>>>Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:37:07 -0500
>>>
>>>Hey Ron,
>>>
>>>Would I be correct in assuming your quote in parenthesis should read,
>>>"During that flight, airplane "intended" heading and track will not be 
>>>the
>>>same", or are you pointing out that a plane will "somewhat" crab, on it's
>>>own, in a crosswind?
>>>
>>>BTW:  I like the white board and beer idea;-)
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ron Lockhart" <ronlock at comcast.net>
>>>To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:16 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane or Crab
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > If a pilot is flying to a specific point and points a trimmed airplane
>>> > directly at that point, and there is wind
>>> > somwhat perpendicular to the intended flight track over the ground the
>>> > airplane will not get to that point.
>>> > The airplane will get to a point down wind of the intended point.
>>>(During
>>> > that flight, airplane heading and
>>> > track will not be the same.  There will be no wind hitting side of
>>>plane.
>>> > A
>>> > yaw string on nose will be
>>> > straight down fuse)     I suppose we just lost a few folks here....
>>> > (sigh)
>>>
>>>All this would be a bunch easier with a white board and beer.  <VBG>
>>> >
>>> > Later,  Ron Lockhart
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Ken Thompson" <mrandmrst at comcast.net>
>>> > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:48 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Jim and all,
>>> >>
>>> >> Most of us realize the plane will do as you and others have 
>>> >> described,
>>>my
>>> >> only point in questioning this is...is it called "weathervaning" 
>>> >> while
>>> > it's
>>> >> in the air, or is it called "wind induced yaw or crab"?
>>> >>
>>> >> Best to you in your recovery.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ken
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "James Oddino" <joddino at socal.rr.com>
>>> >> To: <alberji at charter.net>; "NSRCA Mailing List"
>>> >> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 7:14 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weather Vane
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>   If it does, this is my
>>> >> > definition of weathervaning.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm recovering from an emergency appendectomy so I'm depending on
>>> >> > all
>>> >> > you other guys to go try a cross wind stall turn with no rudder
>>> >> > command tomorrow and report on your results.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Best Regards, Jim O
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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