[NSRCA-discussion] Cross Wind Components

[Ron Lockhart]

I'm fine being a test pilot with RC models.
For full scale, I'm happy with staying inside known operating limits.
The NASA guy I mentioned doing spin testing had airplanes modified with a parachute attached to tail,
quick release pins in pilots door, and wore a parachute.  Says he used the tail parachute to recover
from some spins, and thought about pulling the door pins, but never actually got forced into that.

Ron Lockhart
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Del K. Rykert 
  To: NSRCA Mailing List 
  Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross Wind Components


  What true pattern pilot isn't also a test pilot?  Our planes certification is a successful maiden flight. 

      Del


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Ron Lockhart" <ronlock at comcast.net>
  To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross Wind Components


  >I agree with John K's comments.
  > Years ago received a briefing from a NASA test pilot that ran a light
  > aircraft study
  > of spin capability.  He also made the point that when you exceed the number
  > of spin
  > turns you have become a test pilot.  Also noted that in his spin testing he
  > had found
  > a number of planes that acted no different after exceeding the certified
  > number, and
  > also a number that got real nasty.  He also noted if CG is out of limits,
  > your a test pilot.
  > 
  > Later Ron Lockhart
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "John Konneker" <jlkonn at hotmail.com>
  > To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:10 AM
  > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Crashing on takeoff and landing
  > 
  > 
  >> Chris Moon may want to correct me if I'm wrong but...
  >> Crosswind components.
  >> The term is "demonstrated crosswind component" and is just that...the
  >> maximum that was demonstrated during certification.
  >> Talking full size here.
  >> You may not have the skill to successfully land with the DCC or you may be
  > a
  >> good enough pilot to successfully exceed the DCC.
  >> The DCC is not the absolute limit of the airplane capability.
  >> Same with spins.
  >> Something like a C-152 Aerobat is approved for spins.
  >> 3 turns were demonstrated during certification.
  >> They too may be exceeded...
  >> The only thing when you do you are entering the realm of "Test Pilot".
  >> :-)
  >> There!
  >> I'm going back to bed.
  >> My head hurts!
  >> JLK
  >>
  >>
  >> >From: "Del K. Rykert" <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
  >> >Reply-To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  >> >To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  >> >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Crashing on takeoff and landing
  >> >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 07:55:43 -0400
  >> >
  >> >Basically two big reasons.  People sometimes have not mastered the
  >> >transitory part of leaving or arriving in wind and all flying vehicles
  > have
  >> >a crosswind limit that they can be landed and taking off in. If it is
  >> >exceeded crashes are often the result. Even the shuttle does and the
  >> >Concorde had crosswind limits.
  >> >
  >> >     Del
  >> >   ----- Original Message -----
  >> >   From: rjo626 at aol.com
  >> >   To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
  >> >   Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:46 PM
  >> >   Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Turbulence
  >> >
  >> >
  >> >        Then why do more people seem to crash on takeoff or landing on
  >> >windy days?
  >> >                        RJO
  >> >
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